Calling the States
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@Doctor-Phibes said in Calling the States:
Maybe the Supreme Court
Can Donald Trump Litigate His Way to Victory via the Supreme Court? Not Likely
https://electionlawblog.org/?p=118159
I’ve been saying consistently that the only way the 2020 presidential election ends up being decided by the courts is if there is a dispute in a state that is central to an electoral college victory and that the dispute in that state is so close (or there is such a massive failure in the election) that the election is within the margin of litigation.
As of this moment (though things can change) it does not appear that either condition will be met. It does not seem that Pennsylvania will be crucial to a Biden electoral college victory and so any litigation over ballots there would not matter.
Even if it came down to Pennsylvania, it would have to be so close that there would be something to litigate over. If it is tens of thousands of votes separating the candidates (as currently in the Michigan totals), it is virtually impossible that a recount or litigation could change an outcome.
Of course, if it does come down to a state like PA and it comes down to ballots arriving between Nov. 3 and 6, the Republicans can go back to the Supreme Court in an attempt to get those thrown out. For reasons I’ve explained, the reliance interest of the voters makes this very unlikely (and the Supreme Court passed up two chances to act on this).
The other lawsuits in PA don’t seem to present much hope for flipping a lot of votes; they involve what appears to be a relatively small number of provisional ballots.
So could the election be litigated to a conclusion? Sure. But it’s not likely unless there is significant tightening in both the electoral college projections and the absolute margin in a key state.
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'Twas just a joke. I didn't actually think the Supreme Court can put him on trial.
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@bachophile said in Calling the States:
Pennsylvania aside, I would agree that the election and voting stops on Election Day.
The counting stops when you finish counting. That’s something I assume all would agree with.
As for Pa, strong believers in states rights should support that the state has the right to accept votes until nov 6 if it so decides. The state Supreme Court supported it. And that was upheld by SCOTUS including the opinion of the Chief Justice.
Don’t see the problem
This is a federal election, not a state election. I'm the most pro-state's rights person on this board. I'm also the person who has promoted the sanctity of the vote, more than any other.
My position has been consistent for twenty years.
- Dems engage in election fraud, mostly in big cities, but sometimes on a statewide level. I was born and raised in a state that routinely had dead people vote. Often.
To prevent any type of election fraud, you show up with ID in hand, sign your name and vote. This ain't rocket surgery. Exceptions can be made for military, embassy personnel and accomodations can be made for early and absentee voting, as long as it is done in person, with ID and signature.
- Mail-in votes should not be allowed. See point number one. But if they are allowed, the ballot must be marked appropriately, the signature must match, an audit trail must accompany the ballot and the envelope it was received in, and the mail-in ballot should be received by the end of election day, no matter where it was mailed from.
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@Doctor-Phibes said in Calling the States:
@jon-nyc said in Calling the States:
It’s kind of fun to watch Trump’s twitter feed now, as he oh-so-publicly navigates the stages of grief.
Maybe the Supreme Court will find him guilty. Do you think he's considered that?
Hope you have a weapon and ammunition for it.
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So, this is how humour dies. Without rapturous applause. Or, let's face it, any kind of applause.
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We are witnessing the end of the US as a nation. When a man suffering from dementia who hasn't accomplished a single thing in 47 years as a politician, a man who sold our country out at every opportunity in order to line his own pockets has enough votes to win an election for president, then there is no hope for this nation. We will go the way of the Roman Empire.
But I'm not really surprised. At my age I have watched as the idiot brigade in this country grew bigger and bigger, and I have watched our nation slowly turn it's back on every moral value we used to hold.
I weep for this nation.
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Now that this is mostly over - it feels like Trump had a ton working in his favor.
The economy has continued to move at a decent clip, he had winning positions (though not great policy) on immigration, getting tough on trade and even a cultural-pride message that resonates with many.
The genius communicator side of him was able to clearly land those positions - but I think him being a moron/overly obnoxious just got the best of him.
A vanilla republican with the same policy positions probably would have held on here.
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@xenon said in Calling the States:
Now that this is mostly over - it feels like Trump had a ton working in his favor.
The economy has continued to move at a decent clip, he had winning positions (though not great policy) on immigration, getting tough on trade and even a cultural-pride message that resonates with many.
The genius communicator side of him was able to clearly land those positions - but I think him being a moron/overly obnoxious just got the best of him.
A vanilla republican with the same policy positions probably would have held on here.
How does a vanilla Republican it’s the same policies get that message past the media? They don’t. This election was never about policies and was always about the evil Donald...
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@LuFins-Dad I think you're underappreciating how much the new media landscape has broken the dominance of traditional media. (and this will continue to be the trend)
It's the same thing that led to wokeness / mass protests without even a figurehead.
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"Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08
The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.
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Correct me if I'm wrong but looking at the maps there are 7 states that are still in doubt:
NV - 6 Biden lead
AZ - 11 Biden lead
WI - 10 Biden lead
MI - 16 Biden leadPA - 20 Trump lead
NC - 15 Trump lead
GA - 16 Trump leadSo Biden has 227 votes to Trump's 213 at this moment.
If leads are maintained in all of these undecided states, my math puts Biden right at 270 and Trump at 264.
Yeah, this won't be sorted out for weeks.
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@nobodyssock said in Calling the States:
Correct me if I'm wrong but looking at the maps there are 7 states that are still in doubt:
NV - 6 Biden lead
AZ - 11 Biden lead
WI - 10 Biden lead
MI - 16 Biden leadPA - 20 Trump lead
NC - 15 Trump lead
GA - 16 Trump leadSo Biden has 227 votes to Trump's 213 at this moment.
If leads are maintained in all of these undecided states, my math puts Biden right at 270 and Trump at 264.
Yeah, this won't be sorted out for weeks.
It’s over already except for the formalization
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Me/rry/Christmas
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@LuFins-Dad said in Calling the States:
Great! 9 more of those and he’ll catch back up!
Sorta like asking for a recount in Wisconsin.
However, I can see this making a difference in the Senate race in Michigan.
