Calling the States
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Here's one thing I don't understand.
Why is it important to "claim victory"? Why is it important whether a party "concedes"?
The official results will come in sooner or later, and then it doesn't matter what anyone claimed or conceded, no?
@Klaus said in Calling the States:
Here's one thing I don't understand.
Why is it important to "claim victory"? Why is it important whether a party "concedes"?
The prime example is Gore in 2000. After he called to concede to Bush, and later Florida returned to “too close to call”, at that point it made Gore look like a whining loser as opposed to if he had not conceded, the resulting county by county recount would’ve looked more objective. Ultimately Bush won because the courts told Gore’s team basically to stop cherry picking which (dem leaning) counties to recount.
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Have to admit, I woke up this morning and the race is closer than I expected! Still don’t see Trump winning though. Odds don’t look good to get to 270 and there’s going to be a trickle in of mail in votes that will favor Biden overall.
@89th said in Calling the States:
Have to admit, I woke up this morning and the race is closer than I expected! Still don’t see Trump winning though. Odds don’t look good to get to 270 and there’s going to be a trickle in of mail in votes that will favor Biden overall.
Yep, your Biden landslide prediction stunk..
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Trump’s lead in Michigan won’t stand up to the early vote influx. It’s over.
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It would be nice if somebody could tell Trump to either present evidence for all his vague insinuations of election fraud, or to STFU about it.
@Klaus said in Calling the States:
It would be nice if somebody could tell Trump to either present evidence for all his vague insinuations of election fraud, or to STFU about it.
Philly has long been known as a hotbed of fraud. That's one problem.
Another is the manipulation of mail-in ballots. There are multiple problems with those, but Pennsylvania is horrible. Signatures don't have to match, envelopes cannot be matched with ballots after an initial count and they are counting ballots received up to three days past the election date.
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@Klaus said in Calling the States:
It would be nice if somebody could tell Trump to either present evidence for all his vague insinuations of election fraud, or to STFU about it.
Philly has long been known as a hotbed of fraud. That's one problem.
Another is the manipulation of mail-in ballots. There are multiple problems with those, but Pennsylvania is horrible. Signatures don't have to match, envelopes cannot be matched with ballots after an initial count and they are counting ballots received up to three days past the election date.
@Jolly said in Calling the States:
@Klaus said in Calling the States:
It would be nice if somebody could tell Trump to either present evidence for all his vague insinuations of election fraud, or to STFU about it.
Philly has long been known as a hotbed of fraud. That's one problem.
Another is the manipulation of mail-in ballots. There are multiple problems with those, but Pennsylvania is horrible. Signatures don't have to match, envelopes cannot be matched with ballots after an initial count and they are counting ballots received up to three days past the election date.
I don't know about that, but if that is the case, he should present the evidence, if there is any. Without presenting evidence, this is just deeply unfair and undemocratic.
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Trump’s lead in Michigan won’t stand up to the early vote influx. It’s over.
@LuFins-Dad said in Calling the States:
Trump’s lead in Michigan won’t stand up to the early vote influx. It’s over.
We saw this all night in the states where Biden had a big lead early on only to have the in person votes be counted and Trump win. So it’s the opposite now in MI, WI and PA
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Arizona May still be in play, apparently a lot of the uncounted ballots are from areas that favor Trump.
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@Jolly said in Calling the States:
@Klaus said in Calling the States:
It would be nice if somebody could tell Trump to either present evidence for all his vague insinuations of election fraud, or to STFU about it.
Philly has long been known as a hotbed of fraud. That's one problem.
Another is the manipulation of mail-in ballots. There are multiple problems with those, but Pennsylvania is horrible. Signatures don't have to match, envelopes cannot be matched with ballots after an initial count and they are counting ballots received up to three days past the election date.
I don't know about that, but if that is the case, he should present the evidence, if there is any. Without presenting evidence, this is just deeply unfair and undemocratic.
@Klaus said in Calling the States:
@Jolly said in Calling the States:
@Klaus said in Calling the States:
It would be nice if somebody could tell Trump to either present evidence for all his vague insinuations of election fraud, or to STFU about it.
Philly has long been known as a hotbed of fraud. That's one problem.
Another is the manipulation of mail-in ballots. There are multiple problems with those, but Pennsylvania is horrible. Signatures don't have to match, envelopes cannot be matched with ballots after an initial count and they are counting ballots received up to three days past the election date.
I don't know about that, but if that is the case, he should present the evidence, if there is any. Without presenting evidence, this is just deeply unfair and undemocratic.
It's incredible, isn't it. For a country that aspires, and often claims, to be the democracy that the rest of the world should aspire to be, the level of undemocratic behaviour and language used is ridiculous. It's more like the behaviour you'd expect from a banana republic.
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@Klaus said in Calling the States:
@Jolly said in Calling the States:
@Klaus said in Calling the States:
It would be nice if somebody could tell Trump to either present evidence for all his vague insinuations of election fraud, or to STFU about it.
Philly has long been known as a hotbed of fraud. That's one problem.
Another is the manipulation of mail-in ballots. There are multiple problems with those, but Pennsylvania is horrible. Signatures don't have to match, envelopes cannot be matched with ballots after an initial count and they are counting ballots received up to three days past the election date.
I don't know about that, but if that is the case, he should present the evidence, if there is any. Without presenting evidence, this is just deeply unfair and undemocratic.
It's incredible, isn't it. For a country that aspires, and often claims, to be the democracy that the rest of the world should aspire to be, the level of undemocratic behaviour and language used is ridiculous. It's more like the behaviour you'd expect from a banana republic.
@Doctor-Phibes Indeed. It's also insane how some of Trumps followers seem to believe every word that comes out of his mouth, regardless of how free of evidence it is - as we've just witnessed in this thread. The guy could say that the next winter is a summer and an amazing number of people would start wearing shorts in the snow.
Daniel Hannan said it well, in my opinion.
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@Doctor-Phibes Indeed. It's also insane how some of Trumps followers seem to believe every word that comes out of his mouth, regardless of how free of evidence it is - as we've just witnessed in this thread. The guy could say that the next winter is a summer and an amazing number of people would start wearing shorts in the snow.
Daniel Hannan said it well, in my opinion.
@Klaus said in Calling the States:
@Doctor-Phibes Indeed. It's also insane how some of Trumps followers seem to believe every word that comes out of his mouth, regardless of how free of evidence it is - as we've just witnessed in this thread. The guy could say that the next winter is a summer and an amazing number of people would start wearing shorts in the snow.
Daniel Hannan said it well, in my opinion.
And when somebody says they dislike Trump, it's described as a derangement syndrome. There's a lot to dislike IMHO.
Believing everything he says seems pretty deranged to me. It's almost like he's got Jedi mind skills. 'These are not the votes you're looking for...'
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@Doctor-Phibes Indeed. It's also insane how some of Trumps followers seem to believe every word that comes out of his mouth, regardless of how free of evidence it is - as we've just witnessed in this thread. The guy could say that the next winter is a summer and an amazing number of people would start wearing shorts in the snow.
Daniel Hannan said it well, in my opinion.
@Klaus said in Calling the States:
@Doctor-Phibes Indeed. It's also insane how some of Trumps followers seem to believe every word that comes out of his mouth, regardless of how free of evidence it is - as we've just witnessed in this thread. The guy could say that the next winter is a summer and an amazing number of people would start wearing shorts in the snow.
Daniel Hannan said it well, in my opinion.
You have it backwards. The election and the voting is supposed to STOP once the polls close on election day. Instead, you have one state that's planning to count votes until they get Biden elected, that's just one situation.
For months and months the pollsters have told us Biden was ahead in the polls. Every damned one of them has been exposed now for the crooks they are. There was going to be a "blue wave" - didnt happen. We have said for months that this mail in voting shit was a setup to allow the democrats to steal the election, and that is now undeniable.
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@Doctor-Phibes Indeed. It's also insane how some of Trumps followers seem to believe every word that comes out of his mouth, regardless of how free of evidence it is - as we've just witnessed in this thread. The guy could say that the next winter is a summer and an amazing number of people would start wearing shorts in the snow.
Daniel Hannan said it well, in my opinion.
@Klaus said in Calling the States:
@Doctor-Phibes Indeed. It's also insane how some of Trumps followers seem to believe every word that comes out of his mouth, regardless of how free of evidence it is - as we've just witnessed in this thread. The guy could say that the next winter is a summer and an amazing number of people would start wearing shorts in the snow.
Daniel Hannan said it well, in my opinion.
In essence we have to say the media spectacle last night was utter bullshit because it was tracking a misleading narrative. If we want to wait until all the votes are counted stop with the stupid analytics that are pretty but missing so much relevant info and clogging our heads with nothingness.
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Pennsylvania aside, I would agree that the election and voting stops on Election Day.
The counting stops when you finish counting. That’s something I assume all would agree with.
As for Pa, strong believers in states rights should support that the state has the right to accept votes until nov 6 if it so decides. The state Supreme Court supported it. And that was upheld by SCOTUS including the opinion of the Chief Justice.
Don’t see the problem
