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Tone it down

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  • X xenon

    Trump's just a symptom. Less than a symptom - he's a distraction. A coincidental quirk. The real change that's happening is tectonic. Like printing press, tectonic.

    There's no more loyalty to your fellow countrymen. Social media allows groups to carve out independent political identities and directly pit them against other political entities. Cut out the representatives.

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    Larry
    wrote on last edited by Larry
    #23

    @xenon said in Tone it down:

    Trump's just a symptom. Less than a symptom - he's a distraction. A coincidental quirk. The real change happening going on is tectonic. Like printing press, tectonic.

    There's no more loyalty to your fellow countrymen. Social media allows groups to carve out independent political identities and directly pit them against other political entities. Cut out the representatives.

    Utter bull shit.

    If Trump hadn't been elected, you wouldn't have known ANY of this was going on. It would have just kept on going, while the majority of Americans were busy watching cat videos.

    Calling Trump a "symptom" is ridiculous. Calling his a distraction is so silly that it shows that you don't even understand the problem. "No more loyalty to your fellow countrymen"..... I guess when you've mostly only been exposed to the picture painted in the news media, you'd think that. But you'd be wrong. The majority of Americans are loyal Americans, and will stand up for this country at the drop of a hat.

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    • X xenon

      Trump's just a symptom. Less than a symptom - he's a distraction. A coincidental quirk. The real change that's happening is tectonic. Like printing press, tectonic.

      There's no more loyalty to your fellow countrymen. Social media allows groups to carve out independent political identities and directly pit them against other political entities. Cut out the representatives.

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      @xenon said in Tone it down:

      Like printing press, tectonic.

      Absolutely right. Hell, it's such a fundamental change that the massive political shifts are just a consequence.

      Please love yourself.

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        @xenon said in Tone it down:

        Trump's just a symptom. Less than a symptom - he's a distraction. A coincidental quirk. The real change happening going on is tectonic. Like printing press, tectonic.

        There's no more loyalty to your fellow countrymen. Social media allows groups to carve out independent political identities and directly pit them against other political entities. Cut out the representatives.

        Utter bull shit.

        If Trump hadn't been elected, you wouldn't have known ANY of this was going on. It would have just kept on going, while the majority of Americans were busy watching cat videos.

        Calling Trump a "symptom" is ridiculous. Calling his a distraction is so silly that it shows that you don't even understand the problem. "No more loyalty to your fellow countrymen"..... I guess when you've mostly only been exposed to the picture painted in the news media, you'd think that. But you'd be wrong. The majority of Americans are loyal Americans, and will stand up for this country at the drop of a hat.

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        #25

        @Larry Loyal Americans is an abstract concept. Do you feel more kinship with a conservative in a different country (Canada, UK) than liberals in the U.S.?

        And I actually do like that Trump was elected, in retrospect. I think we all learned how much our institutions rely on norms rather than law.

        In terms of Trump's policy legacy - 7th biggest tax cut since 1945, grew regulations at a slower pace than his predecessors, built some more miles of a southern wall, hobbled parts of obamacare, others? Not that interesting, really. But his relationship to the country and media has been fascinating.

        (justices aren't really a policy legacy - the fact that they are speaks to a poor system, imo)

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        • X xenon

          @Larry Loyal Americans is an abstract concept. Do you feel more kinship with a conservative in a different country (Canada, UK) than liberals in the U.S.?

          And I actually do like that Trump was elected, in retrospect. I think we all learned how much our institutions rely on norms rather than law.

          In terms of Trump's policy legacy - 7th biggest tax cut since 1945, grew regulations at a slower pace than his predecessors, built some more miles of a southern wall, hobbled parts of obamacare, others? Not that interesting, really. But his relationship to the country and media has been fascinating.

          (justices aren't really a policy legacy - the fact that they are speaks to a poor system, imo)

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          @xenon said in Tone it down:

          @Larry Loyal Americans is an abstract concept. Do you feel more kinship with a conservative in a different country (Canada, UK) than liberals in the U.S.?

          And I actually do like that Trump was elected, in retrospect. I think we all learned how much our institutions rely on norms rather than law.

          In terms of Trump's policy legacy - 7th biggest tax cut since 1945, grew regulations at a slower pace than his predecessors, built some more miles of a southern wall, hobbled parts of obamacare, others? Not that interesting, really. But his relationship to the country and media has been fascinating.

          (justices aren't really a policy legacy - the fact that they are speaks to a poor system, imo)

          Since the Judicial Branch has surged ahead of the other two branches in pure power terms, I do think they are perhaps the most important legacy.

          It's all about the judges and has been for seventy years.

          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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            List of Presidents and the number of Supreme Court judges they nominated
            Franklin Roosevelt: 8
            Dwight Eisenhower: 5
            William Taft: 5
            Ulysses Grant: 5
            Richard Nixon: 4
            Harry Truman: 4
            Warren Harding: 4
            Benjamin Harrison: 4
            Grover Cleveland: 4
            Donald Trump: 3
            Ronald Reagan: 3
            Herbert Hoover: 3
            Woodrow Wilson: 3
            Theodore Roosevelt: 3
            Barack Obama: 2*
            George W. Bush: 2
            Bill Clinton: 2
            George H.W. Bush: 2
            Lyndon Johnson: 2
            John F. Kennedy: 2
            Chester Arthur: 2
            Rutherford Hayes: 2
            Gerald Ford: 1
            Calvin Coolidge: 1
            William McKinley: 1
            James Garfield: 1

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              You lack perspective.

              Look at the age of people nominated.

              “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

              Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                George K
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                Vodkapundit: "Yeah, the left accused Mitt of cruelty to animals and giving women cancer..."

                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                  I am truly amazed at just how brainwashed the Left is these days, even those who consider themselves "left of center".

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                  • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad
                    1. HOLY SHIT! Right now, there is a legitimate shot that @Aqua-Letifer pulls the lever for Trump, and @89th pulls the lever for Biden! This is like Bizarro World!

                    2. Sorry, @Catseye3 , this has been going on a lot longer than Trump, the difference is that Trump’s the first to do so from the right. This has been escalating on the left since W was in office and won’t disappear with Trump. If anything, it will get worse. Think on this, W advisers that were called baby killers and worse from those on the left 20 years ago are now being held up as bastions of integrity and bipartisanship because they don’t support Trump. Hell, look at what they did to Romney 8 years ago...

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                    @LuFins-Dad said in Tone it down:

                    1. HOLY SHIT! Right now, there is a legitimate shot that @Aqua-Letifer pulls the lever for Trump, and @89th pulls the lever for Biden! This is like Bizarro World!

                    Ha!! Well I already voted, and it was for a chick.

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                    • 89th8 89th

                      @LuFins-Dad said in Tone it down:

                      1. HOLY SHIT! Right now, there is a legitimate shot that @Aqua-Letifer pulls the lever for Trump, and @89th pulls the lever for Biden! This is like Bizarro World!

                      Ha!! Well I already voted, and it was for a chick.

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                      @89th said in Tone it down:

                      @LuFins-Dad said in Tone it down:

                      1. HOLY SHIT! Right now, there is a legitimate shot that @Aqua-Letifer pulls the lever for Trump, and @89th pulls the lever for Biden! This is like Bizarro World!

                      Ha!! Well I already voted, and it was for a chick.

                      If you’re going to vote for a Libertarian, make it a Libertarian Space Cowboy, not just some chick!

                      The Brad

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