Tone it down
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@xenon said in Tone it down:
If you step back
No one's stepping back right now, man. That's a pipe dream. No one is going to do that.
In the media, you have True Believers who think it's their charge in life to destroy their opposition. But for every one of those publications, there are five out there who would want nothing better to never bring up Trump again, but can't because the moment they do, their pageviews tank and their business founders. Add to that the virtue signaling on social media and you have an environment where "stepping back" is literally impossible.
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@Aqua-Letifer I don't disagree. I believe it's almost entirely due to changes in the media landscape.
We're now able to create an proliferate new narratives of reality completely unmoored from facts (old school editorial rooms had their bias - but they were kept in check by other editorial rooms).
We're in the wild west. This is the beginning of a new shift in the concept of a nation state.
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@Aqua-Letifer said in Tone it down:
Wake the fuck up, Romney.
A kid was turned into the world's villain for smiling while having a MAGA hat on. And then, unbelievably, when he actually won his case in court, he's still getting labeled as a far-right hate-monger. We live in a country where there's absolutely nothing Nick Sandmann can do to exonerate himself in the eyes of the left. That's where we're at now.
We also have cities right now with no police presence, and people are dying.
People are getting assaulted (and in the case of Denver, also shot and killed) for having "differing political beliefs."
And how many people have been publicly disgraced because the liberal mob needed another scapegoat? How many hundreds now?
"Lower the heat"? Who the hell do you think you're talking to? It's going to take more people dying gruesomely and publicly before we have a shot at returning to our senses. Or we might double down. Either way, no one wants to take sensible advice, that's not on the table right now.
There are times when you actually stumble into the Truth.
Preach on, Brother!
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@xenon said in Tone it down:
@Aqua-Letifer I don't disagree. I believe it's almost entirely due to changes in the media landscape.
One thing I've noticed is that a whole lot of boomers are completely unaware of the media shift. They still read Newsweek, watch their local affiliate news and CNN, and they actually think they're reading and watching the same material they did in the 90s. They're oblivious to the massive shift in the media landscape.
Millennials, on the other hand, have grown up with this kind of thing and so they simply don't care about the bias. They measure how smart their friends are by how much the hyperbolic crap their friends consume aligns with the hyperbolic crap they've chosen to believe.
Back in the long ago, you really didn't need a media education because the interns working the news desks as cub reporters were getting it for you, and they were expected to adhere to myriad institutional standards that simply don't exist anymore.
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“I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill
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@Mik said in Tone it down:
It's all about eyes on and how much we can charge for ads based on that.
Sadly, my faith in subscription models seems to have been sorely misplaced. Ads are becoming less important, and individual consumers are starting to contribute more to publication revenue, but it hasn't changed the outrage/signaling content model very much.
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99.9% of it is caused by the democrats and the Left. I know you Trump bashers want to believe it's all Trumps fault, but you are dead wrong. Your opinion of the man is caused 99% BECAUSE of the trash you've had hurled at you for the last 4 years and that you've swallowed hook line and sinker.
And Romney has a lot of gall trying to preach to us about civility.
Several of us here are old enough to have lived through a lot of stuff some of you have only read about. For some of you this is the first time you've experienced a president who is an actual leader. You've been raised to believe that everyone should fart rainbows and flit around in circles skipping and dancing an tossing flower petals. Seeing a real leader shocks your little sensitivities.
Wake the hell up. When someone takes a swing at you, beat the shit out of him. Fuck civility if it means having to let a bunch of shit for brains people run all over you. That may seem crude to some of you, but that's your problem not mine. Romney can kiss my ass.
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HOLY SHIT! Right now, there is a legitimate shot that @Aqua-Letifer pulls the lever for Trump, and @89th pulls the lever for Biden! This is like Bizarro World!
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Sorry, @Catseye3 , this has been going on a lot longer than Trump, the difference is that Trump’s the first to do so from the right. This has been escalating on the left since W was in office and won’t disappear with Trump. If anything, it will get worse. Think on this, W advisers that were called baby killers and worse from those on the left 20 years ago are now being held up as bastions of integrity and bipartisanship because they don’t support Trump. Hell, look at what they did to Romney 8 years ago...
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Trump's just a symptom. Less than a symptom - he's a distraction. A coincidental quirk. The real change that's happening is tectonic. Like printing press, tectonic.
There's no more loyalty to your fellow countrymen. Social media allows groups to carve out independent political identities and directly pit them against other political entities. Cut out the representatives.
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@xenon said in Tone it down:
Trump's just a symptom. Less than a symptom - he's a distraction. A coincidental quirk. The real change happening going on is tectonic. Like printing press, tectonic.
There's no more loyalty to your fellow countrymen. Social media allows groups to carve out independent political identities and directly pit them against other political entities. Cut out the representatives.
Utter bull shit.
If Trump hadn't been elected, you wouldn't have known ANY of this was going on. It would have just kept on going, while the majority of Americans were busy watching cat videos.
Calling Trump a "symptom" is ridiculous. Calling his a distraction is so silly that it shows that you don't even understand the problem. "No more loyalty to your fellow countrymen"..... I guess when you've mostly only been exposed to the picture painted in the news media, you'd think that. But you'd be wrong. The majority of Americans are loyal Americans, and will stand up for this country at the drop of a hat.
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@xenon said in Tone it down:
Like printing press, tectonic.
Absolutely right. Hell, it's such a fundamental change that the massive political shifts are just a consequence.
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@Larry Loyal Americans is an abstract concept. Do you feel more kinship with a conservative in a different country (Canada, UK) than liberals in the U.S.?
And I actually do like that Trump was elected, in retrospect. I think we all learned how much our institutions rely on norms rather than law.
In terms of Trump's policy legacy - 7th biggest tax cut since 1945, grew regulations at a slower pace than his predecessors, built some more miles of a southern wall, hobbled parts of obamacare, others? Not that interesting, really. But his relationship to the country and media has been fascinating.
(justices aren't really a policy legacy - the fact that they are speaks to a poor system, imo)
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@xenon said in Tone it down:
@Larry Loyal Americans is an abstract concept. Do you feel more kinship with a conservative in a different country (Canada, UK) than liberals in the U.S.?
And I actually do like that Trump was elected, in retrospect. I think we all learned how much our institutions rely on norms rather than law.
In terms of Trump's policy legacy - 7th biggest tax cut since 1945, grew regulations at a slower pace than his predecessors, built some more miles of a southern wall, hobbled parts of obamacare, others? Not that interesting, really. But his relationship to the country and media has been fascinating.
(justices aren't really a policy legacy - the fact that they are speaks to a poor system, imo)
Since the Judicial Branch has surged ahead of the other two branches in pure power terms, I do think they are perhaps the most important legacy.
It's all about the judges and has been for seventy years.
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List of Presidents and the number of Supreme Court judges they nominated
Franklin Roosevelt: 8
Dwight Eisenhower: 5
William Taft: 5
Ulysses Grant: 5
Richard Nixon: 4
Harry Truman: 4
Warren Harding: 4
Benjamin Harrison: 4
Grover Cleveland: 4
Donald Trump: 3
Ronald Reagan: 3
Herbert Hoover: 3
Woodrow Wilson: 3
Theodore Roosevelt: 3
Barack Obama: 2*
George W. Bush: 2
Bill Clinton: 2
George H.W. Bush: 2
Lyndon Johnson: 2
John F. Kennedy: 2
Chester Arthur: 2
Rutherford Hayes: 2
Gerald Ford: 1
Calvin Coolidge: 1
William McKinley: 1
James Garfield: 1 -
You lack perspective.
Look at the age of people nominated.
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@LuFins-Dad said in Tone it down:
- HOLY SHIT! Right now, there is a legitimate shot that @Aqua-Letifer pulls the lever for Trump, and @89th pulls the lever for Biden! This is like Bizarro World!
Ha!! Well I already voted, and it was for a chick.
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@89th said in Tone it down:
@LuFins-Dad said in Tone it down:
- HOLY SHIT! Right now, there is a legitimate shot that @Aqua-Letifer pulls the lever for Trump, and @89th pulls the lever for Biden! This is like Bizarro World!
Ha!! Well I already voted, and it was for a chick.
If you’re going to vote for a Libertarian, make it a Libertarian Space Cowboy, not just some chick!
