Inventing History

[Axtremus]

@George-K said in Inventing History:

Speaking of lies...

https://thefederalist.com/2020/10/08/7-quick-takeaways-on-the-2020-vice-presidential-debate/

The first question to Pence, for instance, was that the U.S. death toll was worse than “almost” any other “wealthy” country on earth. The U.S. case fatality rate of 2.8 percent is below Italy, United Kingdom, Belgium, Sweden, Canada, France, Netherlands, Spain, Switzerland, and Germany, something that the media rarely mention.

Yes, the absolute number is higher, but...

Too lazy to go look it up. Was the claim made in the debate about the number of COVID-19 deaths as a fraction of the national population or number of COVID-19 deaths as a fraction of those infected (“case fatality rate”). The Federalist article speaks only to the latter, not the former.

When people make a statement like “the US has 4% of the world’s population but 20% of the world’s COVID-19 deaths,” that’s not about “case fatality rate” that the Federalist article talks about.

[LuFins Dad]

@George-K said in Inventing History:

Speaking of lies...

https://thefederalist.com/2020/10/08/7-quick-takeaways-on-the-2020-vice-presidential-debate/

The first question to Pence, for instance, was that the U.S. death toll was worse than “almost” any other “wealthy” country on earth. The U.S. case fatality rate of 2.8 percent is below Italy, United Kingdom, Belgium, Sweden, Canada, France, Netherlands, Spain, Switzerland, and Germany, something that the media rarely mention.

Yes, the absolute number is higher, but...

EU and UK account for 3,874,181 cases and 191,147 deaths. That's pretty close to US numbers especially when you factor in how poorly NY reacted in February, March, and early April.

[George K]

@LuFins-Dad

[Doctor Phibes]

@taiwan_girl said in Inventing History:

@Jolly said in Inventing History:

The stopwatch don't lie.

I propose for the next debate:

Chess clock

It would need to be a 4D chess clock.

Obviously, the claim that they're playing 4D chess is bogus. It's drunk Fischer-random suicide chess.

[Doctor Phibes]

@LuFins-Dad said in Inventing History:

@George-K said in Inventing History:

Speaking of lies...

https://thefederalist.com/2020/10/08/7-quick-takeaways-on-the-2020-vice-presidential-debate/

The first question to Pence, for instance, was that the U.S. death toll was worse than “almost” any other “wealthy” country on earth. The U.S. case fatality rate of 2.8 percent is below Italy, United Kingdom, Belgium, Sweden, Canada, France, Netherlands, Spain, Switzerland, and Germany, something that the media rarely mention.

Yes, the absolute number is higher, but...

EU and UK account for 3,874,181 cases and 191,147 deaths. That's pretty close to US numbers especially when you factor in how poorly NY reacted in February, March, and early April.

You're making the same mistake they did, but in the opposite direction. The EU+UK population is higher than that of the US by over 100 million.

[George K]

@Doctor-Phibes said in Inventing History:

You're making the same mistake they did, but in the opposite direction. The EU+UK population is higher than that of the US by over 100 million.

Yes.

So, let's look at cases per million. Of course, the US has time to surge.

Or the CFR:

Look like Great Britain or the EU were never places you wanted to be if you wanted to live.

[Copper]

I assume the definitions of a "covid death" vary

[Doctor Phibes]

@George-K said in Inventing History:

Look like Great Britain or the EU were never places you wanted to be if you wanted to live.

It depends which bit, much like the US. Germany seems to have it under control. Italy was an early disaster, like NYC. The UK made a real mess of nursing homes, and the British are doing a pretty crappy job of following instructions, not helped by government rules that don't seem to make sense, and with a number of high profile types flouting their own rules. I don't understand how closing the pubs an hour early will make anything better, and Boris' top advisor claiming he had to drive the length of the country, after testing positive, to see his parents is laughable. More laughable is the fact that the slimy twat kept his job

[George K]

@Doctor-Phibes said in Inventing History:

I don't understand how closing the pubs an hour early will make anything better.

The only thing that makes sense is fewer people means less exposure potential.

I suppose you can do it by limiting the number of people or the number of hours.

[Doctor Phibes]

If you open the pubs, people are going to the pub. Closing them an hour earlier won't make fewer people go, and since you're dealing with the English, it will just mean they get shit-faced quicker.

[Doctor Phibes]

Maybe letting it run it's course is inevitable, however I personally don't feel the benefit of eating out or going to the pub are worth the associated risk.

[George K]

@Doctor-Phibes said in Inventing History:

I personally don't feel the benefit of eating out or going to the pub are worth the associated risk.

Yeah, but you're an old geezer.

[Doctor Phibes]

Sad, but true. We came around to the conclusion that our kids do need social contact.