Living In Fear
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wrote on 7 Oct 2020, 16:49 last edited by
Personally, I think an abundance of caution isn't a bad thing.
Sitting in a house with 35 other people getting drunk on a Saturday night doesn't seem like a smart move to me.
Then again, I can't abide house parties at the best of time. My small talk generally offends about 75% of any given room.
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Appropriate for the thread, I had a store employee show up on Sunday not feeling great. Sent him home immediately. One of the other employees that worked with him on Saturday immediately started having panic attacks and I home. That evening he sent out an email announcing that he has a 103 degree fever. You would have thought it was the end of the world. The employee having panic attacks nearly had to be hospitalized and has had 2 different tests (despite my reminding that person that they needed to wait 4-5 days before there would be enough time for any infection to grow enough to show up on a test) and nearly everyone has been in a panic.
Out of an abundance of caution, I shut down the store for three days and have repeatedly had to intervene with other employees panic attacks. I have even had to remind people about HIPAA requirements and it’s generally been 72 hours of hell.
As it turns out, the guy had a 24 hour bug, all tests have come back negative, there has been no symptoms or fever since Sunday.
So tell me which impacted my life and livelihood more this week, the virus or fear of the virus?
This panic has to stop.
wrote on 7 Oct 2020, 18:38 last edited by@LuFins-Dad said in Living In Fear:
Appropriate for the thread, I had a store employee show up on Sunday not feeling great. Sent him home immediately. One of the other employees that worked with him on Saturday immediately started having panic attacks and I home. That evening he sent out an email announcing that he has a 103 degree fever. You would have thought it was the end of the world. The employee having panic attacks nearly had to be hospitalized and has had 2 different tests (despite my reminding that person that they needed to wait 4-5 days before there would be enough time for any infection to grow enough to show up on a test) and nearly everyone has been in a panic.
Out of an abundance of caution, I shut down the store for three days and have repeatedly had to intervene with other employees panic attacks. I have even had to remind people about HIPAA requirements and it’s generally been 72 hours of hell.
As it turns out, the guy had a 24 hour bug, all tests have come back negative, there has been no symptoms or fever since Sunday.
So tell me which impacted my life and livelihood more this week, the virus or fear of the virus?
This panic has to stop.
Man has a point.
Rebuttal, anyone?
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@LuFins-Dad said in Living In Fear:
Appropriate for the thread, I had a store employee show up on Sunday not feeling great. Sent him home immediately. One of the other employees that worked with him on Saturday immediately started having panic attacks and I home. That evening he sent out an email announcing that he has a 103 degree fever. You would have thought it was the end of the world. The employee having panic attacks nearly had to be hospitalized and has had 2 different tests (despite my reminding that person that they needed to wait 4-5 days before there would be enough time for any infection to grow enough to show up on a test) and nearly everyone has been in a panic.
Out of an abundance of caution, I shut down the store for three days and have repeatedly had to intervene with other employees panic attacks. I have even had to remind people about HIPAA requirements and it’s generally been 72 hours of hell.
As it turns out, the guy had a 24 hour bug, all tests have come back negative, there has been no symptoms or fever since Sunday.
So tell me which impacted my life and livelihood more this week, the virus or fear of the virus?
This panic has to stop.
Man has a point.
Rebuttal, anyone?
wrote on 7 Oct 2020, 18:45 last edited by xenon 10 Jul 2020, 20:20@Jolly said in Living In Fear:
@LuFins-Dad said in Living In Fear:
Appropriate for the thread, I had a store employee show up on Sunday not feeling great. Sent him home immediately. One of the other employees that worked with him on Saturday immediately started having panic attacks and I home. That evening he sent out an email announcing that he has a 103 degree fever. You would have thought it was the end of the world. The employee having panic attacks nearly had to be hospitalized and has had 2 different tests (despite my reminding that person that they needed to wait 4-5 days before there would be enough time for any infection to grow enough to show up on a test) and nearly everyone has been in a panic.
Out of an abundance of caution, I shut down the store for three days and have repeatedly had to intervene with other employees panic attacks. I have even had to remind people about HIPAA requirements and it’s generally been 72 hours of hell.
As it turns out, the guy had a 24 hour bug, all tests have come back negative, there has been no symptoms or fever since Sunday.
So tell me which impacted my life and livelihood more this week, the virus or fear of the virus?
This panic has to stop.
Man has a point.
Rebuttal, anyone?
The employee that worked with the sick guy (the panicky guy) - would you have wanted him to come in contact with you before you knew original sick guy (103 fever dude) didn't have Covid?
Now - the panic attacks obviously seems a bit much, and sucks for him - but you wouldn't have done anything different without the drama, correct? (Except not deal with drama)
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@LuFins-Dad said in Living In Fear:
Appropriate for the thread, I had a store employee show up on Sunday not feeling great. Sent him home immediately. One of the other employees that worked with him on Saturday immediately started having panic attacks and I home. That evening he sent out an email announcing that he has a 103 degree fever. You would have thought it was the end of the world. The employee having panic attacks nearly had to be hospitalized and has had 2 different tests (despite my reminding that person that they needed to wait 4-5 days before there would be enough time for any infection to grow enough to show up on a test) and nearly everyone has been in a panic.
Out of an abundance of caution, I shut down the store for three days and have repeatedly had to intervene with other employees panic attacks. I have even had to remind people about HIPAA requirements and it’s generally been 72 hours of hell.
As it turns out, the guy had a 24 hour bug, all tests have come back negative, there has been no symptoms or fever since Sunday.
So tell me which impacted my life and livelihood more this week, the virus or fear of the virus?
This panic has to stop.
Man has a point.
Rebuttal, anyone?
wrote on 7 Oct 2020, 18:46 last edited by@Jolly said in Living In Fear:
Man has a point.
Rebuttal, anyone?I already asked you how you define "living in fear." No one here advocates for that idea, it's stupid. The problem is a definition discrepancy, not a disagreement of ideals.
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wrote on 7 Oct 2020, 19:00 last edited by
Some people have a lot of ideals in their definition.
What is your definition?
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wrote on 7 Oct 2020, 19:11 last edited by Aqua Letifer 10 Jul 2020, 19:12
@Jolly said in Living In Fear:
Some people have a lot of ideals in their definition.
What is your definition?
You're the one with the sermon, I think the onus is on you to tell us what you mean.
But yeah okay, sure, why not: there's a difference between making accommodations to keep your family safe from a pandemic, and letting the pandemic define your life for you. In other words, your life's meaning shouldn't be altered by the pandemic. That would be living in fear. So, don't do that.
As for how that shakes out in terms of particulars, everyone's got their own values and what they're trying to do with themselves, so interpretation needs to be up to the individual.
And also, look, on top of that, wear a mask and wash your damn hands. It can only help.
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@Jolly said in Living In Fear:
@LuFins-Dad said in Living In Fear:
Appropriate for the thread, I had a store employee show up on Sunday not feeling great. Sent him home immediately. One of the other employees that worked with him on Saturday immediately started having panic attacks and I home. That evening he sent out an email announcing that he has a 103 degree fever. You would have thought it was the end of the world. The employee having panic attacks nearly had to be hospitalized and has had 2 different tests (despite my reminding that person that they needed to wait 4-5 days before there would be enough time for any infection to grow enough to show up on a test) and nearly everyone has been in a panic.
Out of an abundance of caution, I shut down the store for three days and have repeatedly had to intervene with other employees panic attacks. I have even had to remind people about HIPAA requirements and it’s generally been 72 hours of hell.
As it turns out, the guy had a 24 hour bug, all tests have come back negative, there has been no symptoms or fever since Sunday.
So tell me which impacted my life and livelihood more this week, the virus or fear of the virus?
This panic has to stop.
Man has a point.
Rebuttal, anyone?
The employee that worked with the sick guy (the panicky guy) - would you have wanted him to come in contact with you before you knew original sick guy (103 fever dude) didn't have Covid?
Now - the panic attacks obviously seems a bit much, and sucks for him - but you wouldn't have done anything different without the drama, correct? (Except not deal with drama)
wrote on 7 Oct 2020, 19:45 last edited byNow - the panic attacks obviously seems a bit much, and sucks for him - but you wouldn't have done anything different without the drama, correct? (Except not deal with drama)
Dealing with the drama became the job for three days. Being closed for three days is no big deal. Most of my work is done over the phone and by email these days. I could have-should have been just fine working from home. Instead, most of that time was unproductive. Not just for me, but for the rest of the staff as well.
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wrote on 7 Oct 2020, 19:56 last edited by
BTW, Ronna McDaniel (RNC Chair) is giving her first interview since coming down with COVID. She got it from a family member.
That's how a lot of people get it.
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BTW, Ronna McDaniel (RNC Chair) is giving her first interview since coming down with COVID. She got it from a family member.
That's how a lot of people get it.
wrote on 7 Oct 2020, 20:10 last edited by@Jolly said in Living In Fear:
BTW, Ronna McDaniel (RNC Chair) is giving her first interview since coming down with COVID. She got it from a family member.
That's how a lot of people get it.
Which is why we're keeping our distance from family members who swear up and down they're staying safe while they continue to work in bars, unmasked, and event arenas, unmasked. If that's living in fear I don't give a shit, find someone else to browbeat because I'm not changing my decision.
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Appropriate for the thread, I had a store employee show up on Sunday not feeling great. Sent him home immediately. One of the other employees that worked with him on Saturday immediately started having panic attacks and I home. That evening he sent out an email announcing that he has a 103 degree fever. You would have thought it was the end of the world. The employee having panic attacks nearly had to be hospitalized and has had 2 different tests (despite my reminding that person that they needed to wait 4-5 days before there would be enough time for any infection to grow enough to show up on a test) and nearly everyone has been in a panic.
Out of an abundance of caution, I shut down the store for three days and have repeatedly had to intervene with other employees panic attacks. I have even had to remind people about HIPAA requirements and it’s generally been 72 hours of hell.
As it turns out, the guy had a 24 hour bug, all tests have come back negative, there has been no symptoms or fever since Sunday.
So tell me which impacted my life and livelihood more this week, the virus or fear of the virus?
This panic has to stop.
wrote on 7 Oct 2020, 20:16 last edited by@LuFins-Dad said in Living In Fear:
I have even had to remind people about HIPAA requirements and it’s generally been 72 hours of hell.
None of you are subject to HIPPA laws. That's one less thing to fear.
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BTW, Ronna McDaniel (RNC Chair) is giving her first interview since coming down with COVID. She got it from a family member.
That's how a lot of people get it.
wrote on 7 Oct 2020, 20:42 last edited by@Jolly said in Living In Fear:
BTW, Ronna McDaniel (RNC Chair) is giving her first interview since coming down with COVID. She got it from a family member.
That's how a lot of people get it.
Well, my daughter's in school two days a week, and with friends two days a week, and my son's working at a department store, so if I get it the chances are it will be from them.
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@LuFins-Dad said in Living In Fear:
I have even had to remind people about HIPAA requirements and it’s generally been 72 hours of hell.
None of you are subject to HIPPA laws. That's one less thing to fear.
wrote on 7 Oct 2020, 20:44 last edited by@jon-nyc said in Living In Fear:
@LuFins-Dad said in Living In Fear:
I have even had to remind people about HIPAA requirements and it’s generally been 72 hours of hell.
None of you are subject to HIPPA laws. That's one less thing to fear.
I am.
Next...
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@Jolly said in Living In Fear:
BTW, Ronna McDaniel (RNC Chair) is giving her first interview since coming down with COVID. She got it from a family member.
That's how a lot of people get it.
Which is why we're keeping our distance from family members who swear up and down they're staying safe while they continue to work in bars, unmasked, and event arenas, unmasked. If that's living in fear I don't give a shit, find someone else to browbeat because I'm not changing my decision.
wrote on 7 Oct 2020, 20:45 last edited by Jolly 10 Jul 2020, 20:46@Aqua-Letifer said in Living In Fear:
@Jolly said in Living In Fear:
BTW, Ronna McDaniel (RNC Chair) is giving her first interview since coming down with COVID. She got it from a family member.
That's how a lot of people get it.
Which is why we're keeping our distance from family members who swear up and down they're staying safe while they continue to work in bars, unmasked, and event arenas, unmasked. If that's living in fear I don't give a shit, find someone else to browbeat because I'm not changing my decision.
Sounds to me like your browbeating yourself...
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@jon-nyc said in Living In Fear:
@LuFins-Dad said in Living In Fear:
I have even had to remind people about HIPAA requirements and it’s generally been 72 hours of hell.
None of you are subject to HIPPA laws. That's one less thing to fear.
I am.
Next...
wrote on 7 Oct 2020, 21:04 last edited by jon-nyc 10 Jul 2020, 21:05@Jolly said in Living In Fear:
@jon-nyc said in Living In Fear:
@LuFins-Dad said in Living In Fear:
I have even had to remind people about HIPAA requirements and it’s generally been 72 hours of hell.
None of you are subject to HIPPA laws. That's one less thing to fear.
I am.
Next...
I wasn't talking to you.
Next...
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wrote on 7 Oct 2020, 21:09 last edited by
There is no question that I have seen so many Covid aware compliant people subtlety let their guard down since April where they were completely locked down and lysoling everything and washing their hands at every turn to allowing different people in at different times to their bubble.
If they don’t return to April shutdown mode we will see spreader events like what we witnessed last week.
Knowing that what to do you bet?
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@Jolly said in Living In Fear:
@jon-nyc said in Living In Fear:
@LuFins-Dad said in Living In Fear:
I have even had to remind people about HIPAA requirements and it’s generally been 72 hours of hell.
None of you are subject to HIPPA laws. That's one less thing to fear.
I am.
Next...
I wasn't talking to you.
Next...
wrote on 7 Oct 2020, 22:07 last edited by@jon-nyc said in Living In Fear:
@Jolly said in Living In Fear:
@jon-nyc said in Living In Fear:
@LuFins-Dad said in Living In Fear:
I have even had to remind people about HIPAA requirements and it’s generally been 72 hours of hell.
None of you are subject to HIPPA laws. That's one less thing to fear.
I am.
Next...
I wasn't talking to you.
Next...
"None" is pretty inclusive.
Next...
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@Aqua-Letifer said in Living In Fear:
@Jolly said in Living In Fear:
BTW, Ronna McDaniel (RNC Chair) is giving her first interview since coming down with COVID. She got it from a family member.
That's how a lot of people get it.
Which is why we're keeping our distance from family members who swear up and down they're staying safe while they continue to work in bars, unmasked, and event arenas, unmasked. If that's living in fear I don't give a shit, find someone else to browbeat because I'm not changing my decision.
Sounds to me like your browbeating yourself...
wrote on 7 Oct 2020, 22:11 last edited by@Jolly said in Living In Fear:
@Aqua-Letifer said in Living In Fear:
@Jolly said in Living In Fear:
BTW, Ronna McDaniel (RNC Chair) is giving her first interview since coming down with COVID. She got it from a family member.
That's how a lot of people get it.
Which is why we're keeping our distance from family members who swear up and down they're staying safe while they continue to work in bars, unmasked, and event arenas, unmasked. If that's living in fear I don't give a shit, find someone else to browbeat because I'm not changing my decision.
Sounds to me like your browbeating yourself...
Sure.
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@jon-nyc said in Living In Fear:
@Jolly said in Living In Fear:
@jon-nyc said in Living In Fear:
@LuFins-Dad said in Living In Fear:
I have even had to remind people about HIPAA requirements and it’s generally been 72 hours of hell.
None of you are subject to HIPPA laws. That's one less thing to fear.
I am.
Next...
I wasn't talking to you.
Next...
"None" is pretty inclusive.
Next...
wrote on 7 Oct 2020, 22:45 last edited by@Jolly said in Living In Fear:
@jon-nyc said in Living In Fear:
@Jolly said in Living In Fear:
@jon-nyc said in Living In Fear:
@LuFins-Dad said in Living In Fear:
I have even had to remind people about HIPAA requirements and it’s generally been 72 hours of hell.
None of you are subject to HIPPA laws. That's one less thing to fear.
I am.
Next...
I wasn't talking to you.
Next...
"None" is pretty inclusive.
Next...
Yep. It referred to his whole shop.
Next..,
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2 Timothy 1:7
7 For God has not given us a spirit of fear, but of power and of love and of a sound mind.Be prudent, but do not let COVID make you live your life in fear.
wrote on 7 Oct 2020, 23:26 last edited by@Jolly said in Living In Fear:
2 Timothy 1:7
7 For God has not given us a spirit of fear, but of power and of love and of a sound mind.Be prudent, but do not let COVID make you live your life in fear.
I'm not. What do you see to indicate people are living in fear of COVID? I realize I live in a rural small town, so that skews what I will see locally. What are you seeing where you live, Jolly?
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wrote on 8 Oct 2020, 00:18 last edited by Jolly 10 Aug 2020, 00:53
I'm pretty rural, too. But just seeing how some people act around here, seeing what CNN blasts out everyday, seeing how many people thought the end times occurred when Trump waved off of a balcony, seeing some of the things even written on this board...Well, it seems that some people are scared spitless.
That's no way to live life. The fact is that a person can only mitigate exposure to corona. You cannot escape it. Chances are very good, without a vaccine, you're going to get it.
So life your life. Be prudent, but do not live in fear.
