What's the White House's plan, anyway?
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wrote on 14 Apr 2020, 03:14 last edited by
Isn't this typical Trump?
IT'S MY DECISION. Then the media goes crazy.
Then after awhile, he talks about how he is working with and listening to governors, agrees with them, they cringe and then compliment him, the media gets played while trying to understand federalism and the commerce clause, while trying to trap him.
Strong, decisive, yet open to collaboration along the way. See you in November.
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That might have been his most boneheaded tweet yet. specially after putting a lot of responsibility on governors to get their own PPE. Very, very bad move and it will come back on him n November.
wrote on 14 Apr 2020, 03:17 last edited by@Mik said in What's the White House's plan, anyway?:
That might have been his most boneheaded tweet yet. specially after putting a lot of responsibility on governors to get their own PPE. Very, very bad move and it will come back on him n November.
I think his view is that he has absolute power and absolutely no responsibility.
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wrote on 14 Apr 2020, 03:21 last edited by
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@Mik said in What's the White House's plan, anyway?:
That might have been his most boneheaded tweet yet. specially after putting a lot of responsibility on governors to get their own PPE. Very, very bad move and it will come back on him n November.
I think his view is that he has absolute power and absolutely no responsibility.
wrote on 14 Apr 2020, 03:23 last edited by@jon-nyc
There you go again, Jon. Stating what he must be thinking as if fact.Better IMO to state it as:
Trump was recorded in a conversation with Melania, where he stated, "I HAVE ABSOLUTE POWER AND ABSOLUTELY NO RESPONSIBILITY. NOW MAKE ME A SAMMICH." -
wrote on 14 Apr 2020, 03:27 last edited by
John Yoo of torture memo fame:
https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/04/no-trump-cant-force-states-to-reopen/
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wrote on 14 Apr 2020, 03:44 last edited by
Gee,let's drive it home, shall we?
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wrote on 14 Apr 2020, 04:08 last edited by xenon
The President clarified it in person today.
Link to videoHe sums it up at the 4min mark if you want the quick hit
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wrote on 14 Apr 2020, 08:49 last edited by
Xenon thanks.
My favorite part, “Ok let me clarify what power the president has. The power of what the president can do is what the power of the president can do.”
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wrote on 14 Apr 2020, 12:17 last edited by
I just don't see yet how we really do it safely. Lots of administrative healthcare infrastructure needed.
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I just don't see yet how we really do it safely. Lots of administrative healthcare infrastructure needed.
wrote on 14 Apr 2020, 12:25 last edited by@Mik said in What's the White House's plan, anyway?:
I just don't see yet how we really do it safely. Lots of administrative healthcare infrastructure needed.
The plan for contact tracing looks promising if enough people opt in.
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wrote on 14 Apr 2020, 14:50 last edited by
Heck no, never
Never, ever
It is just plain none of their business, never
I don't care that some might see a benefit
Too bad, this is just way too dangerous
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wrote on 14 Apr 2020, 14:55 last edited by
Okay so obviously you haven't looked into this at all. You should before you comment on it. This is already happening. It's going to be rolled out in May.
The first phase is going to require users to voluntarily download apps that have this API--only cleared government service apps will have it, and no one is under any obligation to use it. Second, not only is the reporting anonymous, but the updates rely on bluetooth pushes to eliminate location data. In other words, you can't get personal information from the API even if you wanted to. Third, once they get phase 2 going, which will integrate directly with device operating systems, it'll still be a voluntary opt-in.
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wrote on 14 Apr 2020, 14:57 last edited by jon-nyc
It’s kind of ironic how many people who have every movement of theirs tracked for advertising purposes would never allow it for public health purposes.
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It’s kind of ironic how many people who have every movement of theirs tracked for advertising purposes would never allow it for public health purposes.
wrote on 14 Apr 2020, 15:02 last edited by Aqua Letifer@jon-nyc said in What's the White House's plan, anyway?:
It’s kind of ironic how many people who have every movement of theirs tracked for advertising purposes would never allow it for public health purposes.
No, what's ironic to the point of hilarity is that these people still think this ship hasn't left the harbor. It did ten years ago, and when Snowden leaked proof of it, instead of paying any attention to what was leaked, the talk was traitor this and treason that.
The government already has your data. It's not that they can get access with a warrant, they're storing it right now. And oh by the way, it's not anonymous data they're collecting.
But oh sure please, let's freak out over contact tracing because I totally missed the past decade.
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wrote on 14 Apr 2020, 15:20 last edited by
No way, never
This is not being done now
What is being done now is secret, and illegal, and it should be and those doing it make sure they have plausible deniability
What is being proposed is out in the open and sold as clever and heroic
There is a big difference
If I was the guy collecting that data, there is no way I wouldn't spend nights and weekends messing around with it. I would be all over it. And I would find all kinds of fun stuff that was never intended.
I know, I used to get paid to do that.
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@jon-nyc said in What's the White House's plan, anyway?:
It’s kind of ironic how many people who have every movement of theirs tracked for advertising purposes would never allow it for public health purposes.
No, what's ironic to the point of hilarity is that these people still think this ship hasn't left the harbor. It did ten years ago, and when Snowden leaked proof of it, instead of paying any attention to what was leaked, the talk was traitor this and treason that.
The government already has your data. It's not that they can get access with a warrant, they're storing it right now. And oh by the way, it's not anonymous data they're collecting.
But oh sure please, let's freak out over contact tracing because I totally missed the past decade.
wrote on 14 Apr 2020, 15:22 last edited by Jolly@Aqua-Letifer said in What's the White House's plan, anyway?:
@jon-nyc said in What's the White House's plan, anyway?:
It’s kind of ironic how many people who have every movement of theirs tracked for advertising purposes would never allow it for public health purposes.
No, what's ironic to the point of hilarity is that these people still think this ship hasn't left the harbor. It did ten years ago, and when Snowden leaked proof of it, instead of paying any attention to what was leaked, the talk was traitor this and treason that.
The government already has your data. It's not that they can get access with a warrant, they're storing it right now. And oh by the way, it's not anonymous data they're collecting.
But oh sure please, let's freak out over contact tracing because I totally missed the past decade.
That's ok, I didn't see you freaking out at all about the FBI lying about evidence in order to obtain a FISA court warrant.
Hmmm...False data, secret court, anonymous sealed grand juries, threatening suspects with prison time for their innocent families...Gee, that's just hunk-dory...
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wrote on 14 Apr 2020, 15:27 last edited by
Well, I for one will opt in. If I lose some privacy and it saves a single life, that's a pretty good deal.
Lots of people seem willing to risk people's lives in order to save the economy. I'm happy to give up a bit of privacy.
Also, If you really value your privacy, why are you posting here?
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@Aqua-Letifer said in What's the White House's plan, anyway?:
@jon-nyc said in What's the White House's plan, anyway?:
It’s kind of ironic how many people who have every movement of theirs tracked for advertising purposes would never allow it for public health purposes.
No, what's ironic to the point of hilarity is that these people still think this ship hasn't left the harbor. It did ten years ago, and when Snowden leaked proof of it, instead of paying any attention to what was leaked, the talk was traitor this and treason that.
The government already has your data. It's not that they can get access with a warrant, they're storing it right now. And oh by the way, it's not anonymous data they're collecting.
But oh sure please, let's freak out over contact tracing because I totally missed the past decade.
That's ok, I didn't see you freaking out at all about the FBI lying about evidence in order to obtain a FISA court warrant.
Hmmm...False data, secret court, anonymous sealed grand juries, threatening suspects with prison time for their innocent families...Gee, that's just hunk-dory...
wrote on 14 Apr 2020, 15:28 last edited by@Jolly said in What's the White House's plan, anyway?:
@Aqua-Letifer said in What's the White House's plan, anyway?:
@jon-nyc said in What's the White House's plan, anyway?:
It’s kind of ironic how many people who have every movement of theirs tracked for advertising purposes would never allow it for public health purposes.
No, what's ironic to the point of hilarity is that these people still think this ship hasn't left the harbor. It did ten years ago, and when Snowden leaked proof of it, instead of paying any attention to what was leaked, the talk was traitor this and treason that.
The government already has your data. It's not that they can get access with a warrant, they're storing it right now. And oh by the way, it's not anonymous data they're collecting.
But oh sure please, let's freak out over contact tracing because I totally missed the past decade.
That's ok, I didn't see you freaking out at all about the FBI lying about evidence in order to obtain a FISA court warrant.
Hmmm...False data, secret court, anonymous sealed grand juries, threatening suspects with prison time for their innocent families...Gee, that's just hunk-dory...
Indeed, a decade-long initiative to collect and store data from every American citizen and foreign national who uses Apple and Android devices is exactly the same thing as a FISA court warrant.
If you didn't read up about the PRISM program, then you simply don't have any context to have a coherent opinion about this. What they're going to do in May is silly compared to what the government did in secret ten years ago.
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Well, I for one will opt in. If I lose some privacy and it saves a single life, that's a pretty good deal.
Lots of people seem willing to risk people's lives in order to save the economy. I'm happy to give up a bit of privacy.
Also, If you really value your privacy, why are you posting here?
wrote on 14 Apr 2020, 15:31 last edited by@Doctor-Phibes said in What's the White House's plan, anyway?:
Well, I for one will opt in. If I lose some privacy and it saves a single life, that's a pretty good deal.
Lots of people seem willing to risk people's lives in order to save the economy. I'm happy to give up a bit of privacy.
Also, If you really value your privacy, why are you posting here?
I love the rhetoric here. Yes by all means let's lose some people to send them back to work but don't you dare collect personal information that's already been recorded about me! Lives aren't important, only the economy and my ignorant delusions about privacy.
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wrote on 14 Apr 2020, 15:35 last edited by
It's virtue signaling vs. asshole signaling
