Discharge tomorrow?
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wrote on 5 Oct 2020, 02:42 last edited by
Is it just me, or are we all in the middle of some extra-shit Reality TV show?
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@jon-nyc said in Discharge tomorrow?:
@Loki said in Discharge tomorrow?:
Trump did a standing vigorous video followed up by a motorcade drive by for his supporters.
Walter Reed attending physician.
Attending physician:
"In the United States and Canada, an attending physician is a physician who has completed residency and practices medicine in a clinic or hospital, in the specialty learned during residency. An attending physician typically supervises fellows, residents, medical students, and other practitioners. Attending physicians may also maintain professorships at an affiliated medical school. This is common if the supervision of trainees is a significant part of the physician's work. Attending physicians have final responsibility, legally and otherwise, for patient care, even when many of the minute-to-minute decisions are being made by house officers or Advanced Practice Providers. Attending physicians are sometimes the 'rendering physician' listed on the patient's official medical record, but if they are overseeing a resident or another staff member, they are 'supervising."
The good doctor did his residency in Emergency Medicine. He is neither an infectious disease expert or the President's physician.
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At his age, with his comorbidities, he could get real bad, real fast.
With FLOTUS, not so much.
wrote on 5 Oct 2020, 02:49 last edited by@Jolly said in Discharge tomorrow?:
At his age, with his comorbidities, he could get real bad, real fast.
With FLOTUS, not so much.
You know, if Harris wins in 2024 (or takes over if Biden kicks the bucket early), her husband will be the FGOTUS. That sucks.
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Is it just me, or are we all in the middle of some extra-shit Reality TV show?
wrote on 5 Oct 2020, 02:50 last edited by@Doctor-Phibes said in Discharge tomorrow?:
Is it just me, or are we all in the middle of some extra-shit Reality TV show?
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We're still talking acceptable losses.
There is NO way to make things 100% safe. Not, and have an econony...
wrote on 5 Oct 2020, 03:13 last edited by@Jolly said in Discharge tomorrow?:
We're still talking acceptable losses.
There is NO way to make things 100% safe. Not, and have an econony...
Here, let me help a little.
"Acceptable losses for the good of the economy" is a consequentialist position.
"You shouldn't wish death on anyone" is an argument founded on moral absolutism.
If you pick one because Trump's your hero and you pick another because screw old people and the otherwise healthy adults who died that you completely ignore because it doesn't fit your narrative, it means you're better at emoting than you are at critical thinking.
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wrote on 5 Oct 2020, 03:22 last edited by
Have a nice night, lad.
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wrote on 5 Oct 2020, 03:53 last edited by
Nah, I think I'll come back to this one...One can be pretty damn moral, yet still accept human death.
Go figure that one out.
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Nah, I think I'll come back to this one...One can be pretty damn moral, yet still accept human death.
Go figure that one out.
wrote on 5 Oct 2020, 04:51 last edited by@Jolly said in Discharge tomorrow?:
Nah, I think I'll come back to this one...One can be pretty damn moral, yet still accept human death.
Go figure that one out.
I get that. I also get that it's impossible to keep the whole of humanity from being affected by the virus. The thing I posted however relates to a certain contingent of the population who cares more about the life of one person than the life of thousands because their beliefs are feeble. Which is ridiculous.
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@jon-nyc said in Discharge tomorrow?:
@Loki said in Discharge tomorrow?:
Trump did a standing vigorous video followed up by a motorcade drive by for his supporters.
Walter Reed attending physician.
Attending physician:
"In the United States and Canada, an attending physician is a physician who has completed residency and practices medicine in a clinic or hospital, in the specialty learned during residency. An attending physician typically supervises fellows, residents, medical students, and other practitioners. Attending physicians may also maintain professorships at an affiliated medical school. This is common if the supervision of trainees is a significant part of the physician's work. Attending physicians have final responsibility, legally and otherwise, for patient care, even when many of the minute-to-minute decisions are being made by house officers or Advanced Practice Providers. Attending physicians are sometimes the 'rendering physician' listed on the patient's official medical record, but if they are overseeing a resident or another staff member, they are 'supervising."
The good doctor did his residency in Emergency Medicine. He is neither an infectious disease expert or the President's physician.
wrote on 5 Oct 2020, 11:50 last edited by@Jolly said in Discharge tomorrow?:
The good doctor did his residency in Emergency Medicine. He is neither an infectious disease expert or the President's physician.
He's also a CNN "Medical Consultant."
As I've mentioned before talking about some of Fox's "medical consultants," these guys should stick to what they know. The Fox lady is a radiologist. I have no idea how good/bad of a photon watcher she is, but I would take anything she says about treatment of the virus with a grain of salt.
This guy, as Jolly points out, is an ER doc (remember when ER docs were lambasted here for giving their opinions on the virus?). He's probably a good ER doc. Is he aware of decision-making that went into this, what precautions were taken? Probably not.
That said, I think it was a bone-headed and stupid move. Just another unforced error by the Trump White House. It would have been far better, and aroused fewer heads exploding had he finished his course of treatment and be video-ed leaving Marine One on the South Lawn.
An aside, in a photo, POTUS is wearing a black mask. Presumably that's a cloth mask. Why not a N95 mask, which this clearly is not?
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@Jolly said in Discharge tomorrow?:
The good doctor did his residency in Emergency Medicine. He is neither an infectious disease expert or the President's physician.
He's also a CNN "Medical Consultant."
As I've mentioned before talking about some of Fox's "medical consultants," these guys should stick to what they know. The Fox lady is a radiologist. I have no idea how good/bad of a photon watcher she is, but I would take anything she says about treatment of the virus with a grain of salt.
This guy, as Jolly points out, is an ER doc (remember when ER docs were lambasted here for giving their opinions on the virus?). He's probably a good ER doc. Is he aware of decision-making that went into this, what precautions were taken? Probably not.
That said, I think it was a bone-headed and stupid move. Just another unforced error by the Trump White House. It would have been far better, and aroused fewer heads exploding had he finished his course of treatment and be video-ed leaving Marine One on the South Lawn.
An aside, in a photo, POTUS is wearing a black mask. Presumably that's a cloth mask. Why not a N95 mask, which this clearly is not?
wrote on 5 Oct 2020, 11:54 last edited by@George-K said in Discharge tomorrow?:
@Jolly said in Discharge tomorrow?:
The good doctor did his residency in Emergency Medicine. He is neither an infectious disease expert or the President's physician.
He's also a CNN "Medical Consultant."
As I've mentioned before talking about some of Fox's "medical consultants," these guys should stick to what they know. The Fox lady is a radiologist. I have no idea how good/bad of a photon watcher she is, but I would take anything she says about treatment of the virus with a grain of salt.
This guy, as Jolly points out, is an ER doc (remember when ER docs were lambasted here for giving their opinions on the virus?). He's probably a good ER doc. Is he aware of decision-making that went into this, what precautions were taken? Probably not.
That said, I think it was a bone-headed and stupid move. Just another unforced error by the Trump White House. It would have been far better, and aroused fewer heads exploding had he finished his course of treatment and be video-ed leaving Marine One on the South Lawn.
An aside, in a photo, POTUS is wearing a black mask. Presumably that's a cloth mask. Why not a N95 mask, which this clearly is not?
Why bother shooting the messenger just to agree with him in the end?
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@George-K said in Discharge tomorrow?:
@Jolly said in Discharge tomorrow?:
The good doctor did his residency in Emergency Medicine. He is neither an infectious disease expert or the President's physician.
He's also a CNN "Medical Consultant."
As I've mentioned before talking about some of Fox's "medical consultants," these guys should stick to what they know. The Fox lady is a radiologist. I have no idea how good/bad of a photon watcher she is, but I would take anything she says about treatment of the virus with a grain of salt.
This guy, as Jolly points out, is an ER doc (remember when ER docs were lambasted here for giving their opinions on the virus?). He's probably a good ER doc. Is he aware of decision-making that went into this, what precautions were taken? Probably not.
That said, I think it was a bone-headed and stupid move. Just another unforced error by the Trump White House. It would have been far better, and aroused fewer heads exploding had he finished his course of treatment and be video-ed leaving Marine One on the South Lawn.
An aside, in a photo, POTUS is wearing a black mask. Presumably that's a cloth mask. Why not a N95 mask, which this clearly is not?
Why bother shooting the messenger just to agree with him in the end?
wrote on 5 Oct 2020, 11:58 last edited by@jon-nyc said in Discharge tomorrow?:
Why bother shooting the messenger just to agree with him in the end?
Did I agree with him? Perhaps you're referring to my comment about the N95 mask?
I just said it was a stupid move. I didn't clarify that it was about the optics.
I have no knowledge how dangerous it was, and presumably, neither does he, other than hearsay and his experience as an ER doc.
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wrote on 5 Oct 2020, 12:00 last edited by jon-nyc 10 May 2020, 12:01
So you’re not willing to go out on a limb to say that sharing a special hermetically sealed car interior with a Covid patient is risky? Or are you hanging your hat on the fact that no one can precisely quantify the risk?
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So you’re not willing to go out on a limb to say that sharing a special hermetically sealed car interior with a Covid patient is risky? Or are you hanging your hat on the fact that no one can precisely quantify the risk?
wrote on 5 Oct 2020, 12:12 last edited by@jon-nyc said in Discharge tomorrow?:
So you’re not willing to go out on a limb to say that sharing a special hermetically sealed car interior with a Covid patient is risky? Or are you hanging your hat on the fact that no one can precisely quantify the risk?
Sure, I'll go there. But I'm no expert, and neither is Phillips.
I would think that the docs attending Trump considered all that. I would trust their opinion more than his. AFAIK, he's never laid eyes on Trump.
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@jon-nyc said in Discharge tomorrow?:
So you’re not willing to go out on a limb to say that sharing a special hermetically sealed car interior with a Covid patient is risky? Or are you hanging your hat on the fact that no one can precisely quantify the risk?
Sure, I'll go there. But I'm no expert, and neither is Phillips.
I would think that the docs attending Trump considered all that. I would trust their opinion more than his. AFAIK, he's never laid eyes on Trump.
wrote on 5 Oct 2020, 12:21 last edited by@George-K said in Discharge tomorrow?:
I would think that the docs attending Trump considered all that. I would trust their opinion more than his. AFAIK, he's never laid eyes on Trump.
But are you sure the docs attending Trump thought the car ride was a good idea, or the docs advised against car ride but Trump and/or his political advisors went against the doctors’ advise and did the car ride anyway?
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@Jolly said in Discharge tomorrow?:
Nah, I think I'll come back to this one...One can be pretty damn moral, yet still accept human death.
Go figure that one out.
I get that. I also get that it's impossible to keep the whole of humanity from being affected by the virus. The thing I posted however relates to a certain contingent of the population who cares more about the life of one person than the life of thousands because their beliefs are feeble. Which is ridiculous.
wrote on 5 Oct 2020, 12:22 last edited by@Aqua-Letifer said in Discharge tomorrow?:
@Jolly said in Discharge tomorrow?:
Nah, I think I'll come back to this one...One can be pretty damn moral, yet still accept human death.
Go figure that one out.
I get that. I also get that it's impossible to keep the whole of humanity from being affected by the virus. The thing I posted however relates to a certain contingent of the population who cares more about the life of one person than the life of thousands because their beliefs are feeble. Which is ridiculous.
As long as we're doing late night dorm room conversation... What does the Bible say about living in fear? What does it say about prudence?
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@George-K said in Discharge tomorrow?:
I would think that the docs attending Trump considered all that. I would trust their opinion more than his. AFAIK, he's never laid eyes on Trump.
But are you sure the docs attending Trump thought the car ride was a good idea, or the docs advised against car ride but Trump and/or his political advisors went against the doctors’ advise and did the car ride anyway?
wrote on 5 Oct 2020, 12:25 last edited by@Axtremus said in Discharge tomorrow?:
@George-K said in Discharge tomorrow?:
I would think that the docs attending Trump considered all that. I would trust their opinion more than his. AFAIK, he's never laid eyes on Trump.
But are you sure the docs attending Trump thought the car ride was a good idea, or the docs advised against car ride but Trump and/or his political advisors went against the doctors’ advise and did the car ride anyway?
And, if a hen and a half, could lay an egg and a half, in a day and a half, how long would it take a grasshopper with one wooden leg, to kick half of the seeds out of a fifty pound black diamond watermelon?
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@George-K said in Discharge tomorrow?:
I would think that the docs attending Trump considered all that. I would trust their opinion more than his. AFAIK, he's never laid eyes on Trump.
But are you sure the docs attending Trump thought the car ride was a good idea, or the docs advised against car ride but Trump and/or his political advisors went against the doctors’ advise and did the car ride anyway?
wrote on 5 Oct 2020, 12:26 last edited by George K 10 May 2020, 12:27@Axtremus said in Discharge tomorrow?:
But are you sure the docs attending Trump thought the car ride was a good idea, or the docs advised against car ride but Trump and/or his political advisors went against the doctors’ advise and did the car ride anyway?
Nope. I'm not sure. It's entirely possible that their thinking was override, but we don't know that. Are you sure?
As I said, it was a stupid, unforced error that did little other than kill millions of Twitter electrons.
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@Axtremus said in Discharge tomorrow?:
But are you sure the docs attending Trump thought the car ride was a good idea, or the docs advised against car ride but Trump and/or his political advisors went against the doctors’ advise and did the car ride anyway?
Nope. I'm not sure. It's entirely possible that their thinking was override, but we don't know that. Are you sure?
As I said, it was a stupid, unforced error that did little other than kill millions of Twitter electrons.
wrote on 5 Oct 2020, 12:33 last edited by@George-K said in Discharge tomorrow?:
As I said, it was a stupid, unforced error that did little other than kill millions of Twitter electrons.
And put a couple of Secret Service agents and a driver out of commission for a couple of weeks, if not into a hospital; it might even kill them.
It’s more than an enforced error, it’s gross negligence and wanton endangerment — all for a photo-op.
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@George-K said in Discharge tomorrow?:
As I said, it was a stupid, unforced error that did little other than kill millions of Twitter electrons.
And put a couple of Secret Service agents and a driver out of commission for a couple of weeks, if not into a hospital; it might even kill them.
It’s more than an enforced error, it’s gross negligence and wanton endangerment — all for a photo-op.
wrote on 5 Oct 2020, 12:50 last edited by@Axtremus said in Discharge tomorrow?:
@George-K said in Discharge tomorrow?:
As I said, it was a stupid, unforced error that did little other than kill millions of Twitter electrons.
And put a couple of Secret Service agents and a driver out of commission for a couple of weeks, if not into a hospital; it might even kill them.
It’s more than an enforced error, it’s gross negligence and wanton endangerment — all for a photo-op.
You don't know the environment of the vehicle. You don't know how Trump got in the vehicle. You don't know how the agents got in the vehicle. You don't know the proximity or the infection control measures taken by the agents in the hospital. I do know that when Trump goes back to the Whitehouse, it won't be a hospital environment and the agents will still be guarding the President. And I promise those agents will not wear any protective gear which will impede their ability to draw a weapon.
Decisions are mostly about risk and reward. If you have been following the live cam in front of the hispital, you will have noticed a steady stream of Trump supporters carrying Get Well signs and waving American flags. I thought it was kinda neat. The President said he was humbled and very grateful at the outpouring of support.
In the President's mind, a leader should not show weakness. A leader should lead from the front. And Trump mostly gets his optics right, at least for his supporters. So maybe you think he endangered his detail. Maybe. It may be there was less risk than we know about. In any case, Trump felt like this was something he needed to do, so he did it.
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wrote on 5 Oct 2020, 12:52 last edited by Mik 10 May 2020, 12:52
You can see from the picture there is a partition in that car between the driver and the president.
