Discharge tomorrow?
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@xenon said in Discharge tomorrow?:
@Loki said in Discharge tomorrow?:
@jon-nyc said in Discharge tomorrow?:
Signing all those blank papers would make me tired too.
And if the actual papers were there it would be called a breach of classified info. How hard is it to know that?
Do you really think it makes sense for him to be signing classified papers in formal dress instead of resting?
1000%. I don’t even understand why it is a question of him working if he can and also showing the world in formal clothes what is going on. Of course CNN would prefer a photo op of him on a vent but it’s a weird USA we live in.
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"Discharge tomorrow?"
Tomorrow? TOMORROW? LOL.
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@Aqua-s-Sister said in Discharge tomorrow?:
"Discharge tomorrow?"
Tomorrow? TOMORROW? LOL.
Trump did a standing vigorous video followed up by a motorcade drive by for his supporters. Must be disorienting to all those people who were receiving curated news feeds all day about how sick he was or glued to the same narrative on CNN and MSNBC. There is a fight for which reality is the real one. One side has a contender in the ring and the other is waiting for him to fall.
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What strikes me as dissonant is the image they’re trying to project and the fact that he’s still in the hospital at all.
It’s not like he can’t have any required monitoring at the White House.
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I think an abundance of caution is wise. Hospitals have a lot of medical things which can be used to help people with medical problems. When it comes to COVID, it's literally not possible to be too careful and I think he should stay at the hospital until he tests negative for the virus.
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@jon-nyc said in Discharge tomorrow?:
What strikes me as dissonant is the image they’re trying to project and the fact that he’s still in the hospital at all.
It’s not like he can’t have any required monitoring at the White House.
Why is that for you? The most powerful man running the most powerful nation getting the best treatment to protect the nation? If he still in the hospital late next week you know something is up.
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Like I said, if he’s doing as well as they’re trying to project why be in the hospital at all. It’s not simply, as you imply, “do it because it’s available to you”. Surely it’s available to Melania, she’s not in the hospital.
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@jon-nyc said in Discharge tomorrow?:
Like I said, if he’s doing as well as they’re trying to project why be in the hospital at all. It’s not simply, as you imply, “do it because it’s available to you”. Surely it’s available to Melania, she’s not in the hospital.
My take is the pulse of drop below 95 and his age and co morbid conditions was enough of a scare that they went straight to the highest level protection for our commander in chief. I honestly don’t understand why that’s a question for you.
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I’m not questioning the locale. It’s the dissonance between the messaging and the locale.
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I just learned his doctors came clean about the oxygen usage. Both Friday and Saturday.
He’s like some alternative-world Midas. Everything he touches turns to lie.
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The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.
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@jon-nyc said in Discharge tomorrow?:
I just learned his doctors came clean about the oxygen usage. Both Friday and Saturday.
He’s like some alternative-world Midas. Everything he touches turns to lie.
In this case I would say what we Telegraph to the world is a fuckload more important than CNN. So no I don’t accept that.
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This is sad. The Chinese are trying to take over the world, Marxists are burning down our cities, the Left have gone off the rails, yet the TDS sufferers are spending their time talking about Trump posing for a photo.
Some of you seriously need to do some deep soul searching.
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@George-K said in Discharge tomorrow?:
@jon-nyc said in Discharge tomorrow?:
I just learned his doctors came clean about the oxygen usage.
Not disputing what you say. What did the docs say?
This is from CNN:
Conley acknowledged that his evasive answers "came off that we were trying to hide something" but said that "wasn't necessarily true," adding that the President is "doing really well" and is responding to treatment.
The President has experienced "two episodes of transient drops in his oxygen saturation," Conley said Sunday. The first significant episode occurred late Friday morning when, Conley said, the President had "a high fever and his oxygen saturation was transiently dipping below 94%." The President was given oxygen at that point, Conley said, answering a question he had evaded during his Saturday briefing.
"After about a minute on only two liters, his saturation levels were back over 95%. He stayed on that for about an hour maybe, and it was off and gone," Conley said Sunday. Later on Friday, Conley said, Trump was out of bed, moving around the White House residence with only mild symptoms.
On Saturday, the President's oxygen level dropped again "to about 93%," Conley said. "We watched it and it returned back up." But the incident led doctors to start treating Trump with the steroid drug dexamethasone, which has been shown to help patients with Covid-19. It is typically given to patients on supplemental oxygen or ventilation.
Conley said the President's current blood oxygen level is 98%.
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Just some random thoughts on what was quoted on CNN.
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He apologized for giving the appearance trying to hide something, while acknowledging that there were serious concerns.
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A "transient" drop is SpO2 could be due to a million different things (level of exertion, position, etc). "Transient" doesn't mean trend. If he consistently dropped to below 94%, I'd be worried, but a dip, in and of itself might mean nothing.
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2L/min of oxygen (presumably via nasal cannula - you know, the prongs that go in your nostrils) is about equivalent to 28% oxygen, inspired. For comparison's sake, room air's FiO2 is about 21%. This is NOT a lot of oxygen, and is consistent with what is given routinely post.
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Giving 2L/min via cannula is, at best, a transient thing. Yeah, your SpO2 will rise while it's on, but if the underlying problem isn't treated, it'll fall within minutes of its removal. That goes to my comment #2.
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Saturday's 93% is concerning as well, but we don't know for how long it was, whether it was a trend, etc.
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"Current SpO2 is 98%." I'm skeptical that a 74 year old obese male has those levels at rest without oxygen supplementation. The doc's comment doesn't say.
Like I said, just random thoughts.
Remember, oxygen isn't therapeutic, it's supportive. And, its effects are transient - as in "minutes transient."
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