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  • L Larry
    30 Sept 2020, 15:41

    What lie has he told?

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    taiwan_girl
    wrote on 30 Sept 2020, 15:49 last edited by
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    @Larry said in Biden Does Not Support the Green New Deal:

    What lie has he told? President Trump or Vice President Biden?

    In either case, I think it is what the English say is a “softball” question 😂😂

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      Larry
      wrote on 30 Sept 2020, 15:50 last edited by
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      If it's such a softball then answer the question.

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      • L Larry
        30 Sept 2020, 15:50

        If it's such a softball then answer the question.

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        taiwan_girl
        wrote on 30 Sept 2020, 16:01 last edited by taiwan_girl
        #8

        @Larry this is just from last night

        Trump exaggerated instances of election “fraud,” misleadingly citing ballots “found in a creek” and a case where a thousand voters were mistakenly sent two ballots. Neither is evidence of “fraud.”
        Trump falsely claimed that Biden supports the Medicare for All plan. He never did.
        Trump misleadingly claimed people “weren’t allowed to watch” the polls in Philadelphia. Only satellite elections offices, where voters can return mail-in ballots, are open now.
        Trump claimed he had been endorsed by the sheriff in Portland, which isn’t true, and he suggested that Biden had gotten no support from law enforcement officials, which is false.
        Trump boasted than he “brought back 700,000 manufacturing jobs,” which was never true. Currently 237,000 have been lost.
        Trump denied that climate change plays a role in California’s wildfires. Scientists say it’s a contributing factor.
        Both candidates gave potentially misleading impressions of when Americans can expect a COVID-19 vaccine.
        Trump said that he has “given big incentives for electric cars.” He’s actually tried to eliminate programs to encourage their manufacture and sale.
        Trump said when Biden was working on the 1994 crime bill, he called African Americans “super-predators.” Actually, that was a phrase famously uttered by Hillary Clinton — not Biden — about some “gangs of kids.”
        Trump said “I don’t think” Kellyanne Conway, his former White House counselor, said “riots and chaos and violence help his cause,” as Biden claimed. Conway did say something like that.
        President Trump claimed that the administration’s more stringent fuel economy standards, cars would be $3,500 cheaper. Even going by the administration’s analysis, that’s inflated.

        If you need more info, Here is an article that allows you to filter 5000+ President Trumps mis speaks. 😋

        link text

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        • T taiwan_girl
          30 Sept 2020, 16:01

          @Larry this is just from last night

          Trump exaggerated instances of election “fraud,” misleadingly citing ballots “found in a creek” and a case where a thousand voters were mistakenly sent two ballots. Neither is evidence of “fraud.”
          Trump falsely claimed that Biden supports the Medicare for All plan. He never did.
          Trump misleadingly claimed people “weren’t allowed to watch” the polls in Philadelphia. Only satellite elections offices, where voters can return mail-in ballots, are open now.
          Trump claimed he had been endorsed by the sheriff in Portland, which isn’t true, and he suggested that Biden had gotten no support from law enforcement officials, which is false.
          Trump boasted than he “brought back 700,000 manufacturing jobs,” which was never true. Currently 237,000 have been lost.
          Trump denied that climate change plays a role in California’s wildfires. Scientists say it’s a contributing factor.
          Both candidates gave potentially misleading impressions of when Americans can expect a COVID-19 vaccine.
          Trump said that he has “given big incentives for electric cars.” He’s actually tried to eliminate programs to encourage their manufacture and sale.
          Trump said when Biden was working on the 1994 crime bill, he called African Americans “super-predators.” Actually, that was a phrase famously uttered by Hillary Clinton — not Biden — about some “gangs of kids.”
          Trump said “I don’t think” Kellyanne Conway, his former White House counselor, said “riots and chaos and violence help his cause,” as Biden claimed. Conway did say something like that.
          President Trump claimed that the administration’s more stringent fuel economy standards, cars would be $3,500 cheaper. Even going by the administration’s analysis, that’s inflated.

          If you need more info, Here is an article that allows you to filter 5000+ President Trumps mis speaks. 😋

          link text

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          George K
          wrote on 30 Sept 2020, 16:04 last edited by
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          @taiwan_girl said in Biden Does Not Support the Green New Deal:

          Conway did say something like that.

          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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          • T taiwan_girl
            30 Sept 2020, 16:01

            @Larry this is just from last night

            Trump exaggerated instances of election “fraud,” misleadingly citing ballots “found in a creek” and a case where a thousand voters were mistakenly sent two ballots. Neither is evidence of “fraud.”
            Trump falsely claimed that Biden supports the Medicare for All plan. He never did.
            Trump misleadingly claimed people “weren’t allowed to watch” the polls in Philadelphia. Only satellite elections offices, where voters can return mail-in ballots, are open now.
            Trump claimed he had been endorsed by the sheriff in Portland, which isn’t true, and he suggested that Biden had gotten no support from law enforcement officials, which is false.
            Trump boasted than he “brought back 700,000 manufacturing jobs,” which was never true. Currently 237,000 have been lost.
            Trump denied that climate change plays a role in California’s wildfires. Scientists say it’s a contributing factor.
            Both candidates gave potentially misleading impressions of when Americans can expect a COVID-19 vaccine.
            Trump said that he has “given big incentives for electric cars.” He’s actually tried to eliminate programs to encourage their manufacture and sale.
            Trump said when Biden was working on the 1994 crime bill, he called African Americans “super-predators.” Actually, that was a phrase famously uttered by Hillary Clinton — not Biden — about some “gangs of kids.”
            Trump said “I don’t think” Kellyanne Conway, his former White House counselor, said “riots and chaos and violence help his cause,” as Biden claimed. Conway did say something like that.
            President Trump claimed that the administration’s more stringent fuel economy standards, cars would be $3,500 cheaper. Even going by the administration’s analysis, that’s inflated.

            If you need more info, Here is an article that allows you to filter 5000+ President Trumps mis speaks. 😋

            link text

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            Larry
            wrote on 30 Sept 2020, 16:22 last edited by Larry
            #10

            @taiwan_girl said in Biden Does Not Support the Green New Deal:

            @Larry this is just from last night

            Trump exaggerated instances of election “fraud,” misleadingly citing ballots “found in a creek” and a case where a thousand voters were mistakenly sent two ballots. Neither is evidence of “fraud.”
            Trump falsely claimed that Biden supports the Medicare for All plan. He never did.
            Trump misleadingly claimed people “weren’t allowed to watch” the polls in Philadelphia. Only satellite elections offices, where voters can return mail-in ballots, are open now.
            Trump claimed he had been endorsed by the sheriff in Portland, which isn’t true, and he suggested that Biden had gotten no support from law enforcement officials, which is false.
            Trump boasted than he “brought back 700,000 manufacturing jobs,” which was never true. Currently 237,000 have been lost.
            Trump denied that climate change plays a role in California’s wildfires. Scientists say it’s a contributing factor.
            Both candidates gave potentially misleading impressions of when Americans can expect a COVID-19 vaccine.
            Trump said that he has “given big incentives for electric cars.” He’s actually tried to eliminate programs to encourage their manufacture and sale.
            Trump said when Biden was working on the 1994 crime bill, he called African Americans “super-predators.” Actually, that was a phrase famously uttered by Hillary Clinton — not Biden — about some “gangs of kids.”
            Trump said “I don’t think” Kellyanne Conway, his former White House counselor, said “riots and chaos and violence help his cause,” as Biden claimed. Conway did say something like that.
            President Trump claimed that the administration’s more stringent fuel economy standards, cars would be $3,500 cheaper. Even going by the administration’s analysis, that’s inflated.

            If you need more info, Here is an article that allows you to filter 5000+ President Trumps mis speaks. 😋

            link text

            That would be a really nice list except for the fact that youre wrong on every single one of them.

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            • L Larry
              30 Sept 2020, 16:22

              @taiwan_girl said in Biden Does Not Support the Green New Deal:

              @Larry this is just from last night

              Trump exaggerated instances of election “fraud,” misleadingly citing ballots “found in a creek” and a case where a thousand voters were mistakenly sent two ballots. Neither is evidence of “fraud.”
              Trump falsely claimed that Biden supports the Medicare for All plan. He never did.
              Trump misleadingly claimed people “weren’t allowed to watch” the polls in Philadelphia. Only satellite elections offices, where voters can return mail-in ballots, are open now.
              Trump claimed he had been endorsed by the sheriff in Portland, which isn’t true, and he suggested that Biden had gotten no support from law enforcement officials, which is false.
              Trump boasted than he “brought back 700,000 manufacturing jobs,” which was never true. Currently 237,000 have been lost.
              Trump denied that climate change plays a role in California’s wildfires. Scientists say it’s a contributing factor.
              Both candidates gave potentially misleading impressions of when Americans can expect a COVID-19 vaccine.
              Trump said that he has “given big incentives for electric cars.” He’s actually tried to eliminate programs to encourage their manufacture and sale.
              Trump said when Biden was working on the 1994 crime bill, he called African Americans “super-predators.” Actually, that was a phrase famously uttered by Hillary Clinton — not Biden — about some “gangs of kids.”
              Trump said “I don’t think” Kellyanne Conway, his former White House counselor, said “riots and chaos and violence help his cause,” as Biden claimed. Conway did say something like that.
              President Trump claimed that the administration’s more stringent fuel economy standards, cars would be $3,500 cheaper. Even going by the administration’s analysis, that’s inflated.

              If you need more info, Here is an article that allows you to filter 5000+ President Trumps mis speaks. 😋

              link text

              That would be a really nice list except for the fact that youre wrong on every single one of them.

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              taiwan_girl
              wrote on 30 Sept 2020, 16:28 last edited by
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              @Larry please educate me and explain where the articles is wrong

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              • G George K
                30 Sept 2020, 16:04

                @taiwan_girl said in Biden Does Not Support the Green New Deal:

                Conway did say something like that.

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                taiwan_girl
                wrote on 30 Sept 2020, 16:31 last edited by
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                @George-K said in Biden Does Not Support the Green New Deal:

                @taiwan_girl said in Biden Does Not Support the Green New Deal:

                Conway did say something like that.

                Politicians lie. Both sides. I think this is a by Partisan issue we can both agree on!

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                • T taiwan_girl
                  30 Sept 2020, 16:01

                  @Larry this is just from last night

                  Trump exaggerated instances of election “fraud,” misleadingly citing ballots “found in a creek” and a case where a thousand voters were mistakenly sent two ballots. Neither is evidence of “fraud.”
                  Trump falsely claimed that Biden supports the Medicare for All plan. He never did.
                  Trump misleadingly claimed people “weren’t allowed to watch” the polls in Philadelphia. Only satellite elections offices, where voters can return mail-in ballots, are open now.
                  Trump claimed he had been endorsed by the sheriff in Portland, which isn’t true, and he suggested that Biden had gotten no support from law enforcement officials, which is false.
                  Trump boasted than he “brought back 700,000 manufacturing jobs,” which was never true. Currently 237,000 have been lost.
                  Trump denied that climate change plays a role in California’s wildfires. Scientists say it’s a contributing factor.
                  Both candidates gave potentially misleading impressions of when Americans can expect a COVID-19 vaccine.
                  Trump said that he has “given big incentives for electric cars.” He’s actually tried to eliminate programs to encourage their manufacture and sale.
                  Trump said when Biden was working on the 1994 crime bill, he called African Americans “super-predators.” Actually, that was a phrase famously uttered by Hillary Clinton — not Biden — about some “gangs of kids.”
                  Trump said “I don’t think” Kellyanne Conway, his former White House counselor, said “riots and chaos and violence help his cause,” as Biden claimed. Conway did say something like that.
                  President Trump claimed that the administration’s more stringent fuel economy standards, cars would be $3,500 cheaper. Even going by the administration’s analysis, that’s inflated.

                  If you need more info, Here is an article that allows you to filter 5000+ President Trumps mis speaks. 😋

                  link text

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                  Larry
                  wrote on 30 Sept 2020, 16:58 last edited by
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                  @taiwan_girl said in Biden Does Not Support the Green New Deal:

                  @Larry this is just from last night

                  Trump exaggerated instances of election “fraud,” misleadingly citing ballots “found in a creek” and a case where a thousand voters were mistakenly sent two ballots. Neither is evidence of “fraud.”
                  Trump falsely claimed that Biden supports the Medicare for All plan. He never did.
                  Trump misleadingly claimed people “weren’t allowed to watch” the polls in Philadelphia. Only satellite elections offices, where voters can return mail-in ballots, are open now.
                  Trump claimed he had been endorsed by the sheriff in Portland, which isn’t true, and he suggested that Biden had gotten no support from law enforcement officials, which is false.
                  Trump boasted than he “brought back 700,000 manufacturing jobs,” which was never true. Currently 237,000 have been lost.
                  Trump denied that climate change plays a role in California’s wildfires. Scientists say it’s a contributing factor.
                  Both candidates gave potentially misleading impressions of when Americans can expect a COVID-19 vaccine.
                  Trump said that he has “given big incentives for electric cars.” He’s actually tried to eliminate programs to encourage their manufacture and sale.
                  Trump said when Biden was working on the 1994 crime bill, he called African Americans “super-predators.” Actually, that was a phrase famously uttered by Hillary Clinton — not Biden — about some “gangs of kids.”
                  Trump said “I don’t think” Kellyanne Conway, his former White House counselor, said “riots and chaos and violence help his cause,” as Biden claimed. Conway did say something like that.
                  President Trump claimed that the administration’s more stringent fuel economy standards, cars would be $3,500 cheaper. Even going by the administration’s analysis, that’s inflated.

                  If you need more info, Here is an article that allows you to filter 5000+ President Trumps mis speaks. 😋

                  link text

                  1. There HAS been ballots found thrown in a creek, and there HAS been thousands of people who were sent 2 ballots. If that's not fraud, what would YOU call it.
                  2. Biden DID say he supports a Medicare for all plan.
                  3. He was referring to the last election. Poll watchers WERE blocked.
                  4. You're half right. Portends sheriff did not endorse Trump, but it's true that Biden has no support from law enforcement.
                  5. Your information regarding manufacturing jobs is laughable.
                  6. Scientists always say climate change is a "contributing factor" to everything. The fact is however that it is a proven fact that what is fueling the fires is decades of lack of forestry management thanks to whack job leftists. The forest floor is filled with dried undergrowth that acts as fuel.
                  7. How do YOU know when a vaccine will be ready?
                  8. Regarding electric cars, your claim is totally false.
                  9. Yes, Hillary added the word "super". Biden just called them "predators". https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/07/politics/biden-1993-speech-predators/index.html
                  10. Kelly Ann Conway did NOT say anything of the sort.
                  11. The fuel economy thing .. Trump is correct. Actually his estimate is too low.

                  O out of all that shit you googled you ended up half correct on one minor point. The rest, totally incorrect.

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                  • L Larry
                    30 Sept 2020, 16:58

                    @taiwan_girl said in Biden Does Not Support the Green New Deal:

                    @Larry this is just from last night

                    Trump exaggerated instances of election “fraud,” misleadingly citing ballots “found in a creek” and a case where a thousand voters were mistakenly sent two ballots. Neither is evidence of “fraud.”
                    Trump falsely claimed that Biden supports the Medicare for All plan. He never did.
                    Trump misleadingly claimed people “weren’t allowed to watch” the polls in Philadelphia. Only satellite elections offices, where voters can return mail-in ballots, are open now.
                    Trump claimed he had been endorsed by the sheriff in Portland, which isn’t true, and he suggested that Biden had gotten no support from law enforcement officials, which is false.
                    Trump boasted than he “brought back 700,000 manufacturing jobs,” which was never true. Currently 237,000 have been lost.
                    Trump denied that climate change plays a role in California’s wildfires. Scientists say it’s a contributing factor.
                    Both candidates gave potentially misleading impressions of when Americans can expect a COVID-19 vaccine.
                    Trump said that he has “given big incentives for electric cars.” He’s actually tried to eliminate programs to encourage their manufacture and sale.
                    Trump said when Biden was working on the 1994 crime bill, he called African Americans “super-predators.” Actually, that was a phrase famously uttered by Hillary Clinton — not Biden — about some “gangs of kids.”
                    Trump said “I don’t think” Kellyanne Conway, his former White House counselor, said “riots and chaos and violence help his cause,” as Biden claimed. Conway did say something like that.
                    President Trump claimed that the administration’s more stringent fuel economy standards, cars would be $3,500 cheaper. Even going by the administration’s analysis, that’s inflated.

                    If you need more info, Here is an article that allows you to filter 5000+ President Trumps mis speaks. 😋

                    link text

                    1. There HAS been ballots found thrown in a creek, and there HAS been thousands of people who were sent 2 ballots. If that's not fraud, what would YOU call it.
                    2. Biden DID say he supports a Medicare for all plan.
                    3. He was referring to the last election. Poll watchers WERE blocked.
                    4. You're half right. Portends sheriff did not endorse Trump, but it's true that Biden has no support from law enforcement.
                    5. Your information regarding manufacturing jobs is laughable.
                    6. Scientists always say climate change is a "contributing factor" to everything. The fact is however that it is a proven fact that what is fueling the fires is decades of lack of forestry management thanks to whack job leftists. The forest floor is filled with dried undergrowth that acts as fuel.
                    7. How do YOU know when a vaccine will be ready?
                    8. Regarding electric cars, your claim is totally false.
                    9. Yes, Hillary added the word "super". Biden just called them "predators". https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/07/politics/biden-1993-speech-predators/index.html
                    10. Kelly Ann Conway did NOT say anything of the sort.
                    11. The fuel economy thing .. Trump is correct. Actually his estimate is too low.

                    O out of all that shit you googled you ended up half correct on one minor point. The rest, totally incorrect.

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                    taiwan_girl
                    wrote on 30 Sept 2020, 17:15 last edited by
                    #14

                    @Larry said in Biden Does Not Support the Green New Deal:

                    Your information regarding manufacturing jobs is laughable.

                    Goofy to get into an internet argument, but will comment on one point.

                    (BTW, it is not MY information on manufacturing, it is the Bureau of Labor Statistics www.bls.gov)

                    November 2016: Manfacturing jobs = 12.34 million in US
                    January 2017: Manufacturing jobs = 12.37 million in US
                    August 2020: Manufacturing jobs = 12.13 million in US

                    BLS historical manufacturing data

                    Please explain why the Bureau of Labor Statistics is laughable? Thanks.

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                      George K
                      wrote on 30 Sept 2020, 17:24 last edited by
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                      @taiwan_girl said in Biden Does Not Support the Green New Deal:

                      BLS historical manufacturing data

                      January 2020: 12.84 Million Jobs
                      April 2020: 11.49 Million Jobs

                      What happened in those three months?

                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                        Larry
                        wrote on 30 Sept 2020, 17:35 last edited by
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                        As in all your other points, you've googled and found the "evidence" that supports your opinion. But there's more to it than that. I've already destroyed you big list of supposed "lies", I'm not going to spend time correcting this one. I'll simply remind you that Obama admitted that manufacturing jobs were gone, said they'd never be back, and then asked if Trump was going to wave a magic wand to get them back. After that, companies began moving back in record numbers.

                        So the evidence proves you wrong.

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                        • G George K
                          30 Sept 2020, 17:24

                          @taiwan_girl said in Biden Does Not Support the Green New Deal:

                          BLS historical manufacturing data

                          January 2020: 12.84 Million Jobs
                          April 2020: 11.49 Million Jobs

                          What happened in those three months?

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                          taiwan_girl
                          wrote on 1 Oct 2020, 01:22 last edited by
                          #17

                          @George-K Agree, but President Trump did not stop being president in February or March. Last time i check, he was elected for four years, not 3.2 years, not 1.7 years, but 4 years. I believe that he is still the President right now, which is what the data is based on.

                          I hate to sound like a repeater as I know we have discuss before, but you cannot only pick the cherries you like.

                          If a President is going to take credit when things are good, then he should (or must) take responsibility when things are not so good.

                          Economy good - because of me
                          economy bad - not my fault

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                          • T taiwan_girl
                            1 Oct 2020, 01:22

                            @George-K Agree, but President Trump did not stop being president in February or March. Last time i check, he was elected for four years, not 3.2 years, not 1.7 years, but 4 years. I believe that he is still the President right now, which is what the data is based on.

                            I hate to sound like a repeater as I know we have discuss before, but you cannot only pick the cherries you like.

                            If a President is going to take credit when things are good, then he should (or must) take responsibility when things are not so good.

                            Economy good - because of me
                            economy bad - not my fault

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                            Jolly
                            wrote on 1 Oct 2020, 01:32 last edited by
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                            @taiwan_girl said in Biden Does Not Support the Green New Deal:

                            @George-K Agree, but President Trump did not stop being president in February or March. Last time i check, he was elected for four years, not 3.2 years, not 1.7 years, but 4 years. I believe that he is still the President right now, which is what the data is based on.

                            I hate to sound like a repeater as I know we have discuss before, but you cannot only pick the cherries you like.

                            If a President is going to take credit when things are good, then he should (or must) take responsibility when things are not so good.

                            Economy good - because of me
                            economy bad - not my fault

                            Third quarter looks like it is going to be up by 30%. That may be the steepest 90 day growth curve in the world.

                            In spite of a worldwide pandemic

                            How's that?

                            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                            • J Jolly
                              1 Oct 2020, 01:32

                              @taiwan_girl said in Biden Does Not Support the Green New Deal:

                              @George-K Agree, but President Trump did not stop being president in February or March. Last time i check, he was elected for four years, not 3.2 years, not 1.7 years, but 4 years. I believe that he is still the President right now, which is what the data is based on.

                              I hate to sound like a repeater as I know we have discuss before, but you cannot only pick the cherries you like.

                              If a President is going to take credit when things are good, then he should (or must) take responsibility when things are not so good.

                              Economy good - because of me
                              economy bad - not my fault

                              Third quarter looks like it is going to be up by 30%. That may be the steepest 90 day growth curve in the world.

                              In spite of a worldwide pandemic

                              How's that?

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                              taiwan_girl
                              wrote on 1 Oct 2020, 01:51 last edited by
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                              @Jolly said in Biden Does Not Support the Green New Deal:

                              @taiwan_girl said in Biden Does Not Support the Green New Deal:

                              @George-K Agree, but President Trump did not stop being president in February or March. Last time i check, he was elected for four years, not 3.2 years, not 1.7 years, but 4 years. I believe that he is still the President right now, which is what the data is based on.

                              I hate to sound like a repeater as I know we have discuss before, but you cannot only pick the cherries you like.

                              If a President is going to take credit when things are good, then he should (or must) take responsibility when things are not so good.

                              Economy good - because of me
                              economy bad - not my fault

                              Third quarter looks like it is going to be up by 30%. That may be the steepest 90 day growth curve in the world.

                              In spite of a worldwide pandemic

                              How's that?

                              He should rightly take credit for that.

                              If it goes down 30%, he should take responsibility for it.

                              That is all I am saying. Own everything during your term.

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                              • T taiwan_girl
                                1 Oct 2020, 01:51

                                @Jolly said in Biden Does Not Support the Green New Deal:

                                @taiwan_girl said in Biden Does Not Support the Green New Deal:

                                @George-K Agree, but President Trump did not stop being president in February or March. Last time i check, he was elected for four years, not 3.2 years, not 1.7 years, but 4 years. I believe that he is still the President right now, which is what the data is based on.

                                I hate to sound like a repeater as I know we have discuss before, but you cannot only pick the cherries you like.

                                If a President is going to take credit when things are good, then he should (or must) take responsibility when things are not so good.

                                Economy good - because of me
                                economy bad - not my fault

                                Third quarter looks like it is going to be up by 30%. That may be the steepest 90 day growth curve in the world.

                                In spite of a worldwide pandemic

                                How's that?

                                He should rightly take credit for that.

                                If it goes down 30%, he should take responsibility for it.

                                That is all I am saying. Own everything during your term.

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                                Jolly
                                wrote on 1 Oct 2020, 01:54 last edited by
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                                @taiwan_girl said in Biden Does Not Support the Green New Deal:

                                @Jolly said in Biden Does Not Support the Green New Deal:

                                @taiwan_girl said in Biden Does Not Support the Green New Deal:

                                @George-K Agree, but President Trump did not stop being president in February or March. Last time i check, he was elected for four years, not 3.2 years, not 1.7 years, but 4 years. I believe that he is still the President right now, which is what the data is based on.

                                I hate to sound like a repeater as I know we have discuss before, but you cannot only pick the cherries you like.

                                If a President is going to take credit when things are good, then he should (or must) take responsibility when things are not so good.

                                Economy good - because of me
                                economy bad - not my fault

                                Third quarter looks like it is going to be up by 30%. That may be the steepest 90 day growth curve in the world.

                                In spite of a worldwide pandemic

                                How's that?

                                He should rightly take credit for that.

                                If it goes down 30%, he should take responsibility for it.

                                That is all I am saying. Own everything during your term.

                                Including the ramifications of a worldwide pandemic?

                                Was Wilson responsible for the post WW1 economy problems due to the Spanish Flu?

                                “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                • J Jolly
                                  1 Oct 2020, 01:54

                                  @taiwan_girl said in Biden Does Not Support the Green New Deal:

                                  @Jolly said in Biden Does Not Support the Green New Deal:

                                  @taiwan_girl said in Biden Does Not Support the Green New Deal:

                                  @George-K Agree, but President Trump did not stop being president in February or March. Last time i check, he was elected for four years, not 3.2 years, not 1.7 years, but 4 years. I believe that he is still the President right now, which is what the data is based on.

                                  I hate to sound like a repeater as I know we have discuss before, but you cannot only pick the cherries you like.

                                  If a President is going to take credit when things are good, then he should (or must) take responsibility when things are not so good.

                                  Economy good - because of me
                                  economy bad - not my fault

                                  Third quarter looks like it is going to be up by 30%. That may be the steepest 90 day growth curve in the world.

                                  In spite of a worldwide pandemic

                                  How's that?

                                  He should rightly take credit for that.

                                  If it goes down 30%, he should take responsibility for it.

                                  That is all I am saying. Own everything during your term.

                                  Including the ramifications of a worldwide pandemic?

                                  Was Wilson responsible for the post WW1 economy problems due to the Spanish Flu?

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                                  wrote on 1 Oct 2020, 02:20 last edited by
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                                  @Jolly Is President Trump responsible for all those people OUTSIDE the US that have been buying so many Apple products so that Apple sales outside the US are more than 60% of total revenue, which has a impact on the increasing Apple stock price which makes the US stock market better?

                                  You know me through this forum board well enough that my opinion is that "presidents get too much credit when things are good and too much blame when things are bad". 😊

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                                    wrote on 1 Oct 2020, 04:04 last edited by
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                                    You evaded the question.

                                    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                      1 Oct 2020, 04:04

                                      You evaded the question.

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                                      wrote on 1 Oct 2020, 16:02 last edited by taiwan_girl 10 Jan 2020, 16:05
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                                      @Jolly said in Biden Does Not Support the Green New Deal:

                                      You evaded the question.

                                      No, President Wilson was not wholly responsible for the economics because of the Spanish flu in 1918. Just as President Trump is not wholly responsible for the economic crash during COVID. He has a pretty much minor responsibility for what happened. I don’t think of a Democrat were President, things would have been much different.

                                      Now your turn to answer my question. LOL
                                      (How much responsibility/credit does President Trump have for the rise of Apple stock and its effect on the US stock market, considering 60% of revenue comes from outside the US?)

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                                        1 Oct 2020, 16:02

                                        @Jolly said in Biden Does Not Support the Green New Deal:

                                        You evaded the question.

                                        No, President Wilson was not wholly responsible for the economics because of the Spanish flu in 1918. Just as President Trump is not wholly responsible for the economic crash during COVID. He has a pretty much minor responsibility for what happened. I don’t think of a Democrat were President, things would have been much different.

                                        Now your turn to answer my question. LOL
                                        (How much responsibility/credit does President Trump have for the rise of Apple stock and its effect on the US stock market, considering 60% of revenue comes from outside the US?)

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                                        wrote on 1 Oct 2020, 17:45 last edited by Jolly 10 Jan 2020, 17:46
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                                        @taiwan_girl said in Biden Does Not Support the Green New Deal:

                                        @Jolly said in Biden Does Not Support the Green New Deal:

                                        You evaded the question.

                                        No, President Wilson was not wholly responsible for the economics because of the Spanish flu in 1918. Just as President Trump is not wholly responsible for the economic crash during COVID. He has a pretty much minor responsibility for what happened. I don’t think of a Democrat were President, things would have been much different.

                                        Now your turn to answer my question. LOL
                                        (How much responsibility/credit does President Trump have for the rise of Apple stock and its effect on the US stock market, considering 60% of revenue comes from outside the US?)

                                        Quite a bit. Trump was able to lower Apple's corporate tax rate to 22%, which puts more money in Apple's pocket, leading to an ability to either use that money for more factories, better or more marketing, R&D, etc. Those dollars which help the company can drive innovation, marketing, etc, allowing them to compete better globally.

                                        Now, tell me what happens when Biden does as promised and raises that rate to 28%?

                                        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                        • J Jolly
                                          1 Oct 2020, 17:45

                                          @taiwan_girl said in Biden Does Not Support the Green New Deal:

                                          @Jolly said in Biden Does Not Support the Green New Deal:

                                          You evaded the question.

                                          No, President Wilson was not wholly responsible for the economics because of the Spanish flu in 1918. Just as President Trump is not wholly responsible for the economic crash during COVID. He has a pretty much minor responsibility for what happened. I don’t think of a Democrat were President, things would have been much different.

                                          Now your turn to answer my question. LOL
                                          (How much responsibility/credit does President Trump have for the rise of Apple stock and its effect on the US stock market, considering 60% of revenue comes from outside the US?)

                                          Quite a bit. Trump was able to lower Apple's corporate tax rate to 22%, which puts more money in Apple's pocket, leading to an ability to either use that money for more factories, better or more marketing, R&D, etc. Those dollars which help the company can drive innovation, marketing, etc, allowing them to compete better globally.

                                          Now, tell me what happens when Biden does as promised and raises that rate to 28%?

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                                          wrote on 1 Oct 2020, 17:54 last edited by taiwan_girl 10 Jan 2020, 17:56
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                                          @Jolly said in Biden Does Not Support the Green New Deal:

                                          Now, tell me what happens when Biden does as promised and raises that rate to 28%?

                                          Nothing. I believe it was the President Trump Treasury secretary who stated that the lowering of the tax rate was probably lower than what was needed. 28% would have been fine.

                                          It all goes back to:

                                          My party President is in power, good things happen because of him. Bad things happen in spite of him.

                                          Opposite party President in power, good things happen in spite of him. Bad things happen because of him.

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