Biden Does Not Support the Green New Deal
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@Larry said in Biden Does Not Support the Green New Deal:
Your information regarding manufacturing jobs is laughable.
Goofy to get into an internet argument, but will comment on one point.
(BTW, it is not MY information on manufacturing, it is the Bureau of Labor Statistics www.bls.gov)
November 2016: Manfacturing jobs = 12.34 million in US
January 2017: Manufacturing jobs = 12.37 million in US
August 2020: Manufacturing jobs = 12.13 million in USBLS historical manufacturing data
Please explain why the Bureau of Labor Statistics is laughable? Thanks.
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@taiwan_girl said in Biden Does Not Support the Green New Deal:
BLS historical manufacturing data
January 2020: 12.84 Million Jobs
April 2020: 11.49 Million JobsWhat happened in those three months?
"Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08
The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.
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As in all your other points, you've googled and found the "evidence" that supports your opinion. But there's more to it than that. I've already destroyed you big list of supposed "lies", I'm not going to spend time correcting this one. I'll simply remind you that Obama admitted that manufacturing jobs were gone, said they'd never be back, and then asked if Trump was going to wave a magic wand to get them back. After that, companies began moving back in record numbers.
So the evidence proves you wrong.
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@George-K Agree, but President Trump did not stop being president in February or March. Last time i check, he was elected for four years, not 3.2 years, not 1.7 years, but 4 years. I believe that he is still the President right now, which is what the data is based on.
I hate to sound like a repeater as I know we have discuss before, but you cannot only pick the cherries you like.
If a President is going to take credit when things are good, then he should (or must) take responsibility when things are not so good.
Economy good - because of me
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@taiwan_girl said in Biden Does Not Support the Green New Deal:
@George-K Agree, but President Trump did not stop being president in February or March. Last time i check, he was elected for four years, not 3.2 years, not 1.7 years, but 4 years. I believe that he is still the President right now, which is what the data is based on.
I hate to sound like a repeater as I know we have discuss before, but you cannot only pick the cherries you like.
If a President is going to take credit when things are good, then he should (or must) take responsibility when things are not so good.
Economy good - because of me
economy bad - not my faultThird quarter looks like it is going to be up by 30%. That may be the steepest 90 day growth curve in the world.
In spite of a worldwide pandemic
How's that?
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@Jolly said in Biden Does Not Support the Green New Deal:
@taiwan_girl said in Biden Does Not Support the Green New Deal:
@George-K Agree, but President Trump did not stop being president in February or March. Last time i check, he was elected for four years, not 3.2 years, not 1.7 years, but 4 years. I believe that he is still the President right now, which is what the data is based on.
I hate to sound like a repeater as I know we have discuss before, but you cannot only pick the cherries you like.
If a President is going to take credit when things are good, then he should (or must) take responsibility when things are not so good.
Economy good - because of me
economy bad - not my faultThird quarter looks like it is going to be up by 30%. That may be the steepest 90 day growth curve in the world.
In spite of a worldwide pandemic
How's that?
He should rightly take credit for that.
If it goes down 30%, he should take responsibility for it.
That is all I am saying. Own everything during your term.
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@taiwan_girl said in Biden Does Not Support the Green New Deal:
@Jolly said in Biden Does Not Support the Green New Deal:
@taiwan_girl said in Biden Does Not Support the Green New Deal:
@George-K Agree, but President Trump did not stop being president in February or March. Last time i check, he was elected for four years, not 3.2 years, not 1.7 years, but 4 years. I believe that he is still the President right now, which is what the data is based on.
I hate to sound like a repeater as I know we have discuss before, but you cannot only pick the cherries you like.
If a President is going to take credit when things are good, then he should (or must) take responsibility when things are not so good.
Economy good - because of me
economy bad - not my faultThird quarter looks like it is going to be up by 30%. That may be the steepest 90 day growth curve in the world.
In spite of a worldwide pandemic
How's that?
He should rightly take credit for that.
If it goes down 30%, he should take responsibility for it.
That is all I am saying. Own everything during your term.
Including the ramifications of a worldwide pandemic?
Was Wilson responsible for the post WW1 economy problems due to the Spanish Flu?
Always remember, Operation Valkyrie was an act of sedition.
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@Jolly Is President Trump responsible for all those people OUTSIDE the US that have been buying so many Apple products so that Apple sales outside the US are more than 60% of total revenue, which has a impact on the increasing Apple stock price which makes the US stock market better?
You know me through this forum board well enough that my opinion is that "presidents get too much credit when things are good and too much blame when things are bad".
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You evaded the question.
Always remember, Operation Valkyrie was an act of sedition.
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@Jolly said in Biden Does Not Support the Green New Deal:
You evaded the question.
No, President Wilson was not wholly responsible for the economics because of the Spanish flu in 1918. Just as President Trump is not wholly responsible for the economic crash during COVID. He has a pretty much minor responsibility for what happened. I don’t think of a Democrat were President, things would have been much different.
Now your turn to answer my question. LOL
(How much responsibility/credit does President Trump have for the rise of Apple stock and its effect on the US stock market, considering 60% of revenue comes from outside the US?) -
@taiwan_girl said in Biden Does Not Support the Green New Deal:
@Jolly said in Biden Does Not Support the Green New Deal:
You evaded the question.
No, President Wilson was not wholly responsible for the economics because of the Spanish flu in 1918. Just as President Trump is not wholly responsible for the economic crash during COVID. He has a pretty much minor responsibility for what happened. I don’t think of a Democrat were President, things would have been much different.
Now your turn to answer my question. LOL
(How much responsibility/credit does President Trump have for the rise of Apple stock and its effect on the US stock market, considering 60% of revenue comes from outside the US?)Quite a bit. Trump was able to lower Apple's corporate tax rate to 22%, which puts more money in Apple's pocket, leading to an ability to either use that money for more factories, better or more marketing, R&D, etc. Those dollars which help the company can drive innovation, marketing, etc, allowing them to compete better globally.
Now, tell me what happens when Biden does as promised and raises that rate to 28%?
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@Jolly said in Biden Does Not Support the Green New Deal:
Now, tell me what happens when Biden does as promised and raises that rate to 28%?
Nothing. I believe it was the President Trump Treasury secretary who stated that the lowering of the tax rate was probably lower than what was needed. 28% would have been fine.
It all goes back to:
My party President is in power, good things happen because of him. Bad things happen in spite of him.
Opposite party President in power, good things happen in spite of him. Bad things happen because of him.
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@taiwan_girl said in Biden Does Not Support the Green New Deal:
@Jolly said in Biden Does Not Support the Green New Deal:
Now, tell me what happens when Biden does as promised and raises that rate to 28%?
Nothing. I believe it was the President Trump Treasury secretary who stated that the lowering of the tax rate was probably lower than what was needed. 28% would have been fine.
Horseshit. Next thing you're going to tell me is less money is better than more money.
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@Jolly what is your measure of economic success?
GDP Growth?
Unemployment rate?
%wage grow vs inflation?
Change in stock market %?
Inflation rate?
Change in trade? (Or change in import/exports)
Tax rate for business/personal?
Increase/decrease in det?
????Just curious. Anyway, time for bed.
Good discussion.
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@Jolly said in Biden Does Not Support the Green New Deal:
@taiwan_girl said in Biden Does Not Support the Green New Deal:
@Jolly said in Biden Does Not Support the Green New Deal:
Now, tell me what happens when Biden does as promised and raises that rate to 28%?
Nothing. I believe it was the President Trump Treasury secretary who stated that the lowering of the tax rate was probably lower than what was needed. 28% would have been fine.
Horseshit. Next thing you're going to tell me is less money is better than more money.
It wasn't TG, but rather the Notorious B.I.G. who told you that.
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Heard of him. Never listened to him.
Always remember, Operation Valkyrie was an act of sedition.
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@taiwan_girl said in Biden Does Not Support the Green New Deal:
@Jolly Is President Trump responsible for all those people OUTSIDE the US that have been buying so many Apple products so that Apple sales outside the US are more than 60% of total revenue, which has a impact on the increasing Apple stock price which makes the US stock market better?
You know me through this forum board well enough that my opinion is that "presidents get too much credit when things are good and too much blame when things are bad".
Your question has nothing to do with anything. It's utterly irrelevant . What IS relevant in connection to Trump is build new faclities here in the US, and create that thanks to Trump's tax policy, Apple is spending a billion dollars plus to build new facilities in thevUS and hire around 20,000 more people. This, all due to Trump's tax plan.
So you brought the proof that you're long held opinion regarding presidents and too much credit is wrong.
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@Jolly said in Biden Does Not Support the Green New Deal:
Heard of him. Never listened to him.
Sadly, he was unavoidable if you were an adolescent in the 90s.
Anyway, you know who else doesn't support the green new deal? Conservationists such as myself.
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@Larry said in Biden Does Not Support the Green New Deal:
@taiwan_girl said in Biden Does Not Support the Green New Deal:
@Jolly Is President Trump responsible for all those people OUTSIDE the US that have been buying so many Apple products so that Apple sales outside the US are more than 60% of total revenue, which has a impact on the increasing Apple stock price which makes the US stock market better?
You know me through this forum board well enough that my opinion is that "presidents get too much credit when things are good and too much blame when things are bad".
Your question has nothing to do with anything. It's utterly irrelevant . What IS relevant in connection to Trump is build new faclities here in the US, and create that thanks to Trump's tax policy, Apple is spending a billion dollars plus to build new facilities in thevUS and hire around 20,000 more people. This, all due to Trump's tax plan.
So you brought the proof that you're long held opinion regarding presidents and too much credit is wrong.
The facts don't really bear this out. There wasn't a big investment spree after the tax cuts:
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@Jolly said in Biden Does Not Support the Green New Deal:
@taiwan_girl said in Biden Does Not Support the Green New Deal:
@Jolly said in Biden Does Not Support the Green New Deal:
You evaded the question.
No, President Wilson was not wholly responsible for the economics because of the Spanish flu in 1918. Just as President Trump is not wholly responsible for the economic crash during COVID. He has a pretty much minor responsibility for what happened. I don’t think of a Democrat were President, things would have been much different.
Now your turn to answer my question. LOL
(How much responsibility/credit does President Trump have for the rise of Apple stock and its effect on the US stock market, considering 60% of revenue comes from outside the US?)Quite a bit. Trump was able to lower Apple's corporate tax rate to 22%, which puts more money in Apple's pocket, leading to an ability to either use that money for more factories, better or more marketing, R&D, etc. Those dollars which help the company can drive innovation, marketing, etc, allowing them to compete better globally.
Now, tell me what happens when Biden does as promised and raises that rate to 28%?
Apple was sitting on the biggest pile of cash in human history before the tax cuts. Lending rates at historic lows.
It was time to pay our bills.
And I say that as someone who benefited thousands of dollars from the tax cuts.
