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The cost of NOT using AI

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  • HoraceH Horace

    @Doctor-Phibes said:

    I'd rather hire somebody who didn't write like he'd swallowed a thesaurus and then when you met him in person couldn't make eye-contact and kept checking his phone during the interview.

    But that's just me. Enjoy your brave new world. I'll be out back being laughable.

    Again, it's a luxury. You're in a non-competitive position where you aren't judged against people using AIs. Anybody who is not in such a job doesn't have the luxury of sneering at AIs.

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    @Horace said:

    @Doctor-Phibes said:

    I'd rather hire somebody who didn't write like he'd swallowed a thesaurus and then when you met him in person couldn't make eye-contact and kept checking his phone during the interview.

    But that's just me. Enjoy your brave new world. I'll be out back being laughable.

    Again, it's a luxury. You're in a non-competitive position where you aren't judged against people using AIs. Anybody who is not in such a job doesn't have the luxury of sneering at AIs.

    I'm not sneering at AI. I'm sneering at the idea that it's going to make everything fucking awesome.

    I recently had to sit through a long presentation by a woman with quite heavily Botoxed lips tell us how much our lives were going to be improved by it. I couldn't help but notice the irony.

    Yes, I know it's unavoidable. Implying that I'm an idiot if I don't like it is somewhat controversial.

    I was only joking

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      You could make the argument that technology generally doesn't make people happier, but after it's introduced, not using it while everybody else is, can make a person unhappier.

      Education is extremely important.

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        As for making people awesome, it's just obvious that a person armed with today's AI taken back 10 years in time would be viewed as awesome. AI does make people awesome as compared to their pre-AI selves, in terms of their competence and productivity, for many tasks and occupations.

        Education is extremely important.

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          I think there’s a pretty good chance that it’s going to make people dumber rather than smarter

          I was only joking

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          • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

            I think there’s a pretty good chance that it’s going to make people dumber rather than smarter

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            @Doctor-Phibes said:

            I think there’s a pretty good chance that it’s going to make people dumber rather than smarter

            As judged by @horace or as judged by AI?

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              https://www.missourinet.com/2025/11/07/hawley-cosponsoring-bill-to-keep-track-of-job-losses-caused-by-artificial-intelligence/

              Are Americans losing their jobs to Artificial Intelligence?

              That’s the question U.S. Sen. Josh Hawley, R-Missouri, addressed in an interview with Missourinet.

              “Well, here’s the deal,” Hawley said. “If AI is going to be good for the United States of America, it’s got to be good for working people. I’m all for innovation, but only if it helps actual Americans.”

              Hawley has teamed up with U.S. Sen. Senator Mark Warner, D-Virginia, to cosponsor a bill designed to keep track of layoffs and job losses caused by the implementation of AI.

              “So, here’s what our legislation would do,” Hawley said. “It would require these tech companies to come forward with data about how many jobs they are cutting because of AI and how many they’re creating. They are out there saying, ‘oh, we’re gonna have a job bonanza.’ Great, let’s see the evidence.”

              The bill would require federal agencies, and major companies provide quarterly reports on AI-related job losses to the U.S. Labor Department, which would then provide an annual report to Congress.

              “Here’s what I’m worried about. More and more people are losing their jobs because of AI, and they’re not getting replaced with anything. We need to protect American workers. We need more jobs, not fewer. We need higher wages, not lower,” Hawley said. “This is a first step towards holding these AI companies accountable.”

              Seems kind of goofy to me. There are always things occurring to technology that will initially cause a loss of jobs for some people.

              For example: number of blacksmith in 1900 vs 1925, telephone switch operators from 1940 vs. 1965 or so.

              Maybe that is something a communist system would do.

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                I just vibed an application with chatGPT in an afternoon that would have taken me weeks to write by hand. And I'm sure the code is better this way too.

                Education is extremely important.

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                  I really hate to be the old fart in this discussion, but we're already in a situation where people avoid speaking to other people and will write an email instead, and it's a real problem. I try to explain to people that in-person discussions are more effective and generally more enjoyable, and they literally look at me like this (I've got a particular individual in mind here, but that's another matter)...
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                  Couple this with the fact that everybody wants to work from home in a little silo, and where do we end up?

                  I honestly don't see that having a machine write your email for you because you can't write intelligibly is going to improve things. Sure, sure, they tell us that it's just cleaning things up and the person will check everything carefully, but it's bullshit. Most people are inherently lazy and won't even bother checking.

                  Having AI write your code is one thing. Having it replace your entire existence is something else.

                  I was only joking

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                  • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                    I really hate to be the old fart in this discussion, but we're already in a situation where people avoid speaking to other people and will write an email instead, and it's a real problem. I try to explain to people that in-person discussions are more effective and generally more enjoyable, and they literally look at me like this (I've got a particular individual in mind here, but that's another matter)...
                    fa451e1c-4641-43cf-8378-7ab1fedeb2fd-image.jpeg

                    Couple this with the fact that everybody wants to work from home in a little silo, and where do we end up?

                    I honestly don't see that having a machine write your email for you because you can't write intelligibly is going to improve things. Sure, sure, they tell us that it's just cleaning things up and the person will check everything carefully, but it's bullshit. Most people are inherently lazy and won't even bother checking.

                    Having AI write your code is one thing. Having it replace your entire existence is something else.

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                    @Doctor-Phibes said:

                    I try to explain to people that in-person discussions are more effective and generally more enjoyable, ...
                    Couple this with the fact that everybody wants to work from home in a little silo, ...

                    Trying to pinpoint why everybody wants to work from home instead of going to the office.

                    Compared to the "old days," say, when you had your first job after graduating from university, or when your father was still working a (presumably) white collar job ... was commuting as bad as it is now, was office politics as bad as it is now? Or has the home has become so much more enjoyable?

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                      People who love or even need the in-person interactions of being in the office, tend to assume everybody else is just like them, if maybe ignorant of what is really best for themselves. These are probably the same people who are really excited to be invited to a wedding of people they barely know. Takes all kinds.

                      Education is extremely important.

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                        OK, coder.

                        I generally think of myself as quite antisocial and introverted, but you chaps are making me rethink that.

                        I was only joking

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                          Not sure how to articulate this but a concern I have with AI is what I would call the piles of "AI dust". How much content (in all formats) will be created by AI and then referenced later by AI and also discarded by AI? There will be so much synthetic garbage out there after a number of years....

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                          • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                            OK, coder.

                            I generally think of myself as quite antisocial and introverted, but you chaps are making me rethink that.

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                            @Doctor-Phibes I am with you on the in person interaction. I know in the various "remote work" forum threads we have had, there are some posters who are passionate about working from home and others (like me, Docter Phibes, and I think Jolly) who were on the side of in person.

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                            • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

                              @Doctor-Phibes I am with you on the in person interaction. I know in the various "remote work" forum threads we have had, there are some posters who are passionate about working from home and others (like me, Docter Phibes, and I think Jolly) who were on the side of in person.

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                              @taiwan_girl said:

                              @Doctor-Phibes I am with you on the in person interaction. I know in the various "remote work" forum threads we have had, there are some posters who are passionate about working from home and others (like me, Docter Phibes, and I think Jolly) who were on the side of in person.

                              I'm in favour of people being given a choice wherever possible. Clearly there are benefits to remote-working, but there are also plenty of benefits to social interactions.

                              I was only joking

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                              • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                                OK, coder.

                                I generally think of myself as quite antisocial and introverted, but you chaps are making me rethink that.

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                                @Doctor-Phibes said:

                                OK, coder.

                                Not anymore. Now I'm a viber.

                                Education is extremely important.

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                                • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                                  @taiwan_girl said:

                                  @Doctor-Phibes I am with you on the in person interaction. I know in the various "remote work" forum threads we have had, there are some posters who are passionate about working from home and others (like me, Docter Phibes, and I think Jolly) who were on the side of in person.

                                  I'm in favour of people being given a choice wherever possible. Clearly there are benefits to remote-working, but there are also plenty of benefits to social interactions.

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                                  @Doctor-Phibes said:

                                  I'm in favour of people being given a choice wherever possible. Clearly there are benefits to remote-working, but there are also plenty of benefits to social interactions.

                                  I think most people, if given the choice, would chose remote, even if it was not the best choice when all things are looked from a work perspective.

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                                  • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

                                    @Doctor-Phibes said:

                                    I'm in favour of people being given a choice wherever possible. Clearly there are benefits to remote-working, but there are also plenty of benefits to social interactions.

                                    I think most people, if given the choice, would chose remote, even if it was not the best choice when all things are looked from a work perspective.

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                                    @taiwan_girl said:

                                    I think most people, if given the choice, would chose remote,

                                    And those who enjoy/need the office social interactions convince themselves that those people just don't know what's best for themselves. Meanwhile, probably 90% of people, if given the choice to take or leave the whole in person office scene, would leave it. But the 10% are sure they're all simply ignorant of what is good in life.

                                    Education is extremely important.

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                                    • 89th8 89th

                                      Not sure how to articulate this but a concern I have with AI is what I would call the piles of "AI dust". How much content (in all formats) will be created by AI and then referenced later by AI and also discarded by AI? There will be so much synthetic garbage out there after a number of years....

                                      MikM Away
                                      MikM Away
                                      Mik
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                                      @89th said:

                                      Not sure how to articulate this but a concern I have with AI is what I would call the piles of "AI dust". How much content (in all formats) will be created by AI and then referenced later by AI and also discarded by AI? There will be so much synthetic garbage out there after a number of years....

                                      Good point. A large part of it will just be flat wrong.

                                      "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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                                        It's a known issue and the AI companies are working on solutions for it. Unclear how good those solutions will be.

                                        Education is extremely important.

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                                        • HoraceH Horace

                                          @taiwan_girl said:

                                          I think most people, if given the choice, would chose remote,

                                          And those who enjoy/need the office social interactions convince themselves that those people just don't know what's best for themselves. Meanwhile, probably 90% of people, if given the choice to take or leave the whole in person office scene, would leave it. But the 10% are sure they're all simply ignorant of what is good in life.

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                                          @Horace said:

                                          @taiwan_girl said:

                                          I think most people, if given the choice, would chose remote,

                                          And those who enjoy/need the office social interactions convince themselves that those people just don't know what's best for themselves. Meanwhile, probably 90% of people, if given the choice to take or leave the whole in person office scene, would leave it. But the 10% are sure they're all simply ignorant of what is good in life.

                                          I think most people would prefer a bit of both. The main complaint I hear about office working is all the time wasted in commuting, rather than being in the actual office being awful.

                                          I was only joking

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