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Market after NVDA

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  • HoraceH Offline
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    More selloff today on a blowout earnings, leading the whole market down. I'm more and more of the camp that this anti-AI selloff is overblown and these dips are buying opportunities. Both software and chip stocks. Maybe especially software, as they've been hit hardest. All the CEOs of these software companies are looking at their dashboards in bewilderment at what the market thinks it knows. Granted, AI hasn't had time to cannibalize them yet, but institutional software is so embedded into institutional processes, moving them off for some AI startup's version of the software is way more than just a question of whether a prompt wizard can recreate the functionality.

    Education is extremely important.

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    • MikM Offline
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      And can it recreate the flexibility that EHRs and ERPs offer. These products are the result of years or decades of trial and error, R&D, and industry and governmental knowledge. That can't be magically recreated with a smart question.

      "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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        https://www.investing.com/news/stock-market-news/analysts-perplexed-as-nvidia-fails-to-rally-after-largest-cleanest-beat-ever-4526841

        Morgan Stanley analyst Joseph Moore: "Largest, cleanest beat and raise in the history of the semis industry - surpassing the second best, which was NVIDIA 3 months ago. Numbers were at the high end of anyone’s expectations, based on our conversations, yet the stock reaction after hours was muted. We are surprised at that, though we have highlighted that the bigger debates holding the stock back are longer term in nature. We would continue to argue that the long term also looks pretty good, while conceding that the growth next year will still be somewhat capital markets driven."

        Raymond James analyst Simon Leopold: "We are a little perplexed by the muted stock response. Demand remains robust and operational execution is impressive."

        Stifel analyst Ruben Roy: "Our fundamental thesis is reinforced: compute has become the primary revenue-generating "factory" for the global economy, and NVDA’s one-year product cadence (Vera Rubin 2H delivery) provides a multi generational lead. We think GTC in March will offer longer-term outlook, likely more impactful to the stock."

        BofA analyst Vivek Arya: "The muted stock reaction post-print is likely on continued market concerns around AI disruption (fatigue), greater upside from networking vs. compute in the reported quarter, and no additional update to the $500bn+ in CY25/26 data center sales. However, we view this as short term noise, and trading at just 24x/18x CY26/27E PE (or <0.5x PEG vs Mag-7 peers at 1.5x+), the stock presents a compelling valuation."

        Barclays analyst Tom O’Malley: "More news likely to come from the recent Groq acquisition at GTC, which can potentially help break the stock free from the paralysis... This is the most interesting name in the group."

        Education is extremely important.

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        • MikM Offline
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          All a matter of perception. No one wants to get caught with their pants down.

          "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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            @horace the short term noise and the upside (of AI) I agree seems to be there. A rising internet tide will raise all stock ships, or something like that. I think from a zoomed out view that the market is a bit frothy and may continue to be that way so as long as Trump has his thumb on the fed scale but eventually (who knows when... in 3-5 years maybe) there will be a need to release a lot of steam out of the market. I won't try and time it, but I think I may convert to much less risky portfolio options the higher the froth seems to go.

            Separately, that discussion about affordability of having a family and the fact that boomers own so much of the real estate and stock market wealth, and that their natural conversion of 401ks back into cash may eventually put some downward pressure on the market... not sure how strong or valid any of that is, but I suppose it may help mute the froth.

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            • MikM Offline
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              If the inheritors are smart they will reinvest that money. They have 10 years to withdraw the balance of inherited tax deferred accounts. If they don't they will spend it which will raise the economy just the same.

              "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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                One prominent investor's opinion:

                https://seekingalpha.com/news/4558131-howard-marks-revisits-ai-bubble-question-in-new-memo?mailingid=44383657&messageid=2900&position=rta_news_bankr_fullrollout_hysa_main_0_title&serial=44383657.63921&source=email_2900&utm_campaign=rta-stock-news&utm_content=link-1&utm_source=seeking_alpha&utm_term=44383657.63921

                Education is extremely important.

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