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Market after NVDA

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  • MikM Away
    MikM Away
    Mik
    wrote last edited by
    #10

    I just googled it and it did not ask me for an id.

    "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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    • HoraceH Offline
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      Horace
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      #11

      Here’s a concise summary:

      Howard Marks (Co-Chairman of Oaktree Capital Management) issued a follow-up memo on AI, noting how rapidly the technology has advanced even in a few months. He observes that AI is increasingly moving toward autonomous systems where humans set objectives and guardrails, and the AI executes, reviews, and delivers finished work independently.

      Marks believes AI is real, powerful, and likely capable of replacing substantial knowledge work. He suggests its long-term potential is more likely underestimated than overestimated. However, he cautions that this does not automatically mean AI-related investments are cheap or fairly priced.

      He points out that soaring demand for AI capacity is already driving major revenue growth and validating the large capital expenditures by hyperscalers such as Microsoft, Alphabet, and Amazon. While these companies could turn out to be either overvalued or undervalued, Marks doubts they will ultimately be remembered as dramatically overpriced given their profitability.

      His conclusion: since no one can definitively say whether this is a bubble, investors should avoid going “all-in” (risking ruin) or “all-out” (risking missing a major technological shift). Instead, he recommends a moderate, selective, and prudent allocation to AI.

      Education is extremely important.

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      • AxtremusA Offline
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        Axtremus
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        #12

        he recommends a moderate, selective, and prudent allocation to [WHATEVER].

        Always a solid advice. Shows you how much value the guy brings to the discourse.

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        • 89th8 Offline
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          89th
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          #13

          If I were smart, and maybe I'll ask my TARS, is it would be better to invest in companies that are prime to gain from AI productivity, instead of which companies will be actually building the AI infrastructure, which seems far riskier given the vast sums of cash being thrown into it.

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          • 89th8 Offline
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            89th
            wrote last edited by
            #14

            TARS, after some compliments about this approach basically said:

            • Cybersecurity/IT: Crowdstrike and Palo Alto Networks
            • Enterprise/Workforce Management: ServiceNow and Workday
            • Smart building/HVAC: Johnson Controlls, Carrier Global, Lennox International
            • Financial Services/Insurance: JP Morgan Chase and Progressive
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            • 89th8 Offline
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              89th
              wrote last edited by 89th
              #15

              The Carrier Global one makes sense. Someone has to cool all of those data centers.

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              • HoraceH Offline
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                Horace
                wrote last edited by Horace
                #16

                Market continues to put its money behind a software and AI collapse today.

                I might consider the government restraining AI in private business to be a risk, but due to global competition, I don't see how they can.

                The biggest looming issue I see is the mass job losses.

                Enterprise software sold by the seat might be affected due to that as well, I guess.

                Education is extremely important.

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                  89th
                  wrote last edited by
                  #17

                  Also inflation and UBS downgrading the stock market. Pam Bondi can soon shout "But the DOW is at 45,000 dollars!"

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                  • AxtremusA Offline
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                    Axtremus
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                    #18

                    Did she actually say “dollars” after “the DOW is at 50,000”?
                    If so, I need to think about whether that’s more or less embarrassing than saying “two Corinthians.”

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                    • AxtremusA Axtremus

                      Did she actually say “dollars” after “the DOW is at 50,000”?
                      If so, I need to think about whether that’s more or less embarrassing than saying “two Corinthians.”

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                      Horace
                      wrote last edited by
                      #19

                      @Axtremus said in Market after NVDA:

                      Did she actually say “dollars” after “the DOW is at 50,000”?
                      If so, I need to think about whether that’s more or less embarrassing than saying “two Corinthians.”

                      Yep she said that, but when she repeated it, she left "dollars" out. It was a slip of the tongue that she was aware of.

                      It's sort of accurate anyway. The DJIA actually is a function of stock prices, which are in dollars.

                      Education is extremely important.

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                        wrote last edited by
                        #20

                        Fun fact about the DJIA, it is an astonishingly dumb way of computing how well the market is doing. It is a function of share price of those 30 companies, rather than market cap. A company with few shares and a high stock price means more than a company with a ton of shares and a low stock price, even though the latter company might be worth much more.

                        Education is extremely important.

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                        • jon-nycJ Offline
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                          jon-nyc
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                          #21

                          Yeah one can search ‘shit index’ on old TNCR and see me go on about that very fact.

                          The whole reason we call them illegal aliens is because they’re subject to our laws.

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                          • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                            Yeah one can search ‘shit index’ on old TNCR and see me go on about that very fact.

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                            Horace
                            wrote last edited by Horace
                            #22

                            @jon-nyc The information is hereby vetted, and found to be accurate.

                            I inferred that a stock split would arbitrarily send the index down, but learned that they actually do account for that. So it's not quite as bad as it could be.

                            Education is extremely important.

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