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SCOTUS blocks Trump tariffs under IEEPA

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  • jon-nycJ Offline
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    Keep waiting for Trump to post about this. I need to drink some sweet maga tears this morning.

    The whole reason we call them illegal aliens is because they’re subject to our laws.

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      Is DJT going to give back the $175 billion collected? I guess we owe China a lot of money.

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        @LuFins-Dad said in SCOTUS blocks Trump tariffs under IEEPA:

        Initial market response is not great.

        Maybe wary of what Trump will do in his frustration.

        Market reaction isn't really negative though. Especially when today's GDP numbers were garbage. Market is up.

        LuFins DadL Offline
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        @Horace said in SCOTUS blocks Trump tariffs under IEEPA:

        @LuFins-Dad said in SCOTUS blocks Trump tariffs under IEEPA:

        Initial market response is not great.

        Maybe wary of what Trump will do in his frustration.

        Market reaction isn't really negative though. Especially when today's GDP numbers were garbage. Market is up.

        There was an initial drop when the decision came out. It rebounded about 40 minutes later.

        The Brad

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        • Doctor PhibesD Online
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          He's just announced a global 10% tariff on everybody.

          I was only joking

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          • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

            He's just announced a global 10% tariff on everybody.

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            @Doctor-Phibes said in SCOTUS blocks Trump tariffs under IEEPA:

            He's just announced a global 10% tariff on everybody.

            Yeah. Oddly the market didn't react.

            Education is extremely important.

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            • X Offline
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              That tariff has a built in 150 day limit.

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              • MikM Offline
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                https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/what-supreme-court-ruling-against-trump-tariffs-means-for-your-money/ar-AA1WKHtY

                Includes the tariffs on French wine. Happy day. 😁

                "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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                • LuFins DadL Offline
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                  Anybody need a German piano?

                  The Brad

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                  • MikM Offline
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                    Gorsuch's comment on this (confirmed by Newsweek):

                    alt text

                    "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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                    • HoraceH Online
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                      No need for journalist confirmation. That was in the written opinion released by SCOTUS.

                      Education is extremely important.

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                      • MikM Offline
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                        I confirm anything I see on FB before I share it.

                        "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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                        • X Offline
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                          Trump had another tantrum and upped the 10% to 15%.

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                          • HoraceH Online
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                            sigh.

                            Education is extremely important.

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                            • jon-nycJ Offline
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                              He loves taxing Americans. Makes Mamdani look like Milton Friedman in comparison.

                              The whole reason we call them illegal aliens is because they’re subject to our laws.

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                              • HoraceH Online
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                                From what I understand, there has to be an investigation and written justification (at least) for tariffs under the new sections. Of course the administration will concoct something, but if it's too transparently garbage, it'll be open to court rejection, presumably.

                                Education is extremely important.

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                                  With so many AI chat bots around, surely one can "write" a justification to muddle through the 150 days legal maximum.

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                                  • jon-nycJ Offline
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                                    Then he lets them lapse for a day and does another 150 days of 14.9%?

                                    The whole reason we call them illegal aliens is because they’re subject to our laws.

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                                      https://www.facebook.com/share/r/1b26r3goH7/?mibextid=wwXIfr

                                      The whole reason we call them illegal aliens is because they’re subject to our laws.

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                                      • HoraceH Online
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                                        Nobody is happier about the president's alleged ability to circumvent the narrow court ruling and raise tariffs anyway, than his opponents in the midterms.

                                        Education is extremely important.

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                                        • MikM Offline
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                                          Something I read this morning regarding Gorsuch's opinion sums it up nicely. This is not to say there are no problems with the legislative process, but that, to me, is not a reason to hand over powers.

                                          "Justice Neil Gorsuch closed today's tariff opinion with a paragraph worth framing. Read it, slowly, if you haven't already.

                                          During the Biden administration, the president unveiled a sweeping student loan forgiveness plan. It would cancel up to $10,000 in federal debt for most borrowers earning under $125,000 a year and up to $20,000 for Pell Grant recipients. Across tens of millions of borrowers, the projected price tag reached $430 billion. It was bold. It was popular in certain quarters. And it rested on no clear act of Congress.
                                          Biden pointed to an emergency-relief statute. His critics, six Republican-led states among them, argued the law permitted only targeted, modest adjustments for borrowers harmed by specific emergencies. It was never written to rewrite the entire architecture of student loan repayment. The Supreme Court agreed. The president had overreached.

                                          Fast forward to today. President Trump, invoking a trade-sanctions statute, claimed sweeping tariff authority: the power to impose whatever duties he chose, against whomever he chose, whenever he chose. The statutory text, his opponents argued, authorized nothing so broad. The Supreme Court agreed again. The president had overreached.

                                          The symmetry is striking. In both cases, a president seized on a narrow statute and read into it limitless power. In both cases, the Court drew the line. Congress writes the law. The president executes it. When a president wants authority for something this consequential, he must go to Congress and earn it.

                                          That should be the end of the analysis. But it wasn't for everyone.
                                          Among the nine justices, only three voted consistently in both cases: Chief Justice Roberts, Justice Gorsuch, and Justice Barrett. Every other justice, whether styled as liberal or conservative, landed on opposite sides depending on which president held the pen. The so-called principled wings of the Court simply swapped positions.
                                          The same is true of the commentators, the activists, and the pundits who flooded social media in both moments. Many who cheered the student loan ruling now rage at today's tariff decision. Many who denounced Biden's overreach now insist Trump's was different — special, necessary, justified by circumstance. It wasn't different. The legal question was identical.

                                          If you found yourself on opposite sides of these two cases, that is worth sitting with. I don't write this as an accusation, but as an invitation. Constitutional principles do not change with the occupant of the Oval Office. They are not clothing to be swapped out when a new administration arrives. The separation of powers protects everyone, or it protects no one. A Congress that can be bypassed by a president you love can be bypassed by one you loathe.

                                          Gorsuch put it plainly: major decisions affecting the rights and responsibilities of the American people are funneled through the legislative process for a reason. Legislating is hard and slow. The temptation to bypass Congress when something feels urgent is real. But deliberation is the point. Through it, the Nation draws on the wisdom of elected representatives rather than the will of one man. Laws forged through that process tend to endure, giving ordinary people the stable ground they need to plan their lives.

                                          That paragraph belongs in every high school civics classroom in America.
                                          The constitutional order does not favor Republicans or Democrats. It favors no policy agenda and no election outcome. It simply demands that the people's representatives, not the president acting alone, make the laws under which we live. Three justices held that line in both cases. The rest did not.
                                          Ask yourself which kind of justice you want on that Court. Then ask yourself which kind of citizen you intend to be."

                                          "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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