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SCOTUS blocks Trump tariffs under IEEPA

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  • HoraceH Offline
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    Horace
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    #6

    Good news. I'll read the opinions for giggles. Or maybe feed them to an AI for a summary.

    Education is extremely important.

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    • HoraceH Offline
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      Horace
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      #7
      Issue Majority Dissent
      Is tariff power core legislative authority? Yes — requires clear delegation Congress can broadly delegate in emergencies
      Does “regulate importation” include tariffs? No Yes
      Should Major Questions Doctrine apply? Yes No (or much less forcefully)
      Does historical practice support the President? No — unprecedented Yes — consistent with broad emergency powers
      Who is guarding separation of powers? Court is protecting Congress Court is constraining executive flexibility

      Education is extremely important.

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      • jon-nycJ Offline
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        #8

        The three liberal justices did not sign on to the part discussing major questions doctrine, but nor did they specifically reject it. They just said it could be decided on statutory interpretation alone.

        The whole reason we call them illegal aliens is because they’re subject to our laws.

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        • LuFins DadL Offline
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          Initial market response is not great.

          The Brad

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          • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

            Initial market response is not great.

            HoraceH Offline
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            Horace
            wrote last edited by Horace
            #10

            @LuFins-Dad said in SCOTUS blocks Trump tariffs under IEEPA:

            Initial market response is not great.

            Maybe wary of what Trump will do in his frustration.

            Market reaction isn't really negative though. Especially when today's GDP numbers were garbage. Market is up.

            Education is extremely important.

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            • jon-nycJ Offline
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              jon-nyc
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              #11

              Keep waiting for Trump to post about this. I need to drink some sweet maga tears this morning.

              The whole reason we call them illegal aliens is because they’re subject to our laws.

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              • kluursK Offline
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                #12

                Is DJT going to give back the $175 billion collected? I guess we owe China a lot of money.

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                • HoraceH Horace

                  @LuFins-Dad said in SCOTUS blocks Trump tariffs under IEEPA:

                  Initial market response is not great.

                  Maybe wary of what Trump will do in his frustration.

                  Market reaction isn't really negative though. Especially when today's GDP numbers were garbage. Market is up.

                  LuFins DadL Offline
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                  @Horace said in SCOTUS blocks Trump tariffs under IEEPA:

                  @LuFins-Dad said in SCOTUS blocks Trump tariffs under IEEPA:

                  Initial market response is not great.

                  Maybe wary of what Trump will do in his frustration.

                  Market reaction isn't really negative though. Especially when today's GDP numbers were garbage. Market is up.

                  There was an initial drop when the decision came out. It rebounded about 40 minutes later.

                  The Brad

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                  • Doctor PhibesD Offline
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                    #14

                    He's just announced a global 10% tariff on everybody.

                    I was only joking

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                    • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                      He's just announced a global 10% tariff on everybody.

                      HoraceH Offline
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                      Horace
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                      #15

                      @Doctor-Phibes said in SCOTUS blocks Trump tariffs under IEEPA:

                      He's just announced a global 10% tariff on everybody.

                      Yeah. Oddly the market didn't react.

                      Education is extremely important.

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                      • X Offline
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                        xenon
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                        That tariff has a built in 150 day limit.

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                        • MikM Offline
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                          Mik
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                          #17

                          https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/what-supreme-court-ruling-against-trump-tariffs-means-for-your-money/ar-AA1WKHtY

                          Includes the tariffs on French wine. Happy day. 😁

                          "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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                            Anybody need a German piano?

                            The Brad

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                            • MikM Offline
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                              Gorsuch's comment on this (confirmed by Newsweek):

                              alt text

                              "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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                              • HoraceH Offline
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                                #20

                                No need for journalist confirmation. That was in the written opinion released by SCOTUS.

                                Education is extremely important.

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                                • MikM Offline
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                                  Mik
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                                  #21

                                  I confirm anything I see on FB before I share it.

                                  "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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                                  • X Offline
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                                    xenon
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                                    Trump had another tantrum and upped the 10% to 15%.

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                                    • HoraceH Offline
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                                      Horace
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                                      sigh.

                                      Education is extremely important.

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                                      • jon-nycJ Offline
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                                        jon-nyc
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                                        He loves taxing Americans. Makes Mamdani look like Milton Friedman in comparison.

                                        The whole reason we call them illegal aliens is because they’re subject to our laws.

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                                        • HoraceH Offline
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                                          From what I understand, there has to be an investigation and written justification (at least) for tariffs under the new sections. Of course the administration will concoct something, but if it's too transparently garbage, it'll be open to court rejection, presumably.

                                          Education is extremely important.

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