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I don’t recall seeing such seething hatred for the constitution

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  • 89th8 Offline
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    89th
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    #14

    Yeah most folks rely on their cheap/skilled labor without thinking twice. Painters, construction, chefs in a Mexican restaurant, farm workers... That's what bothers me, most of those 25,000 non-criminal detainees were just hard working dads trying to make money for their family. Makes me sick to see it.

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      AndyD
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      #15

      As I understand your law, it is a criminal offence to enter the USA by illegal methods, whether by jumping a fence, hitching a boat ride or presenting a fake passport at customs.
      These people may be gun toting drug dealers or hard working catholics, no matter, they are criminals as defined by federal law.

      Just as it is the law that your President can legally blanket pardon armed rioters who caused or contributed to multiple deaths when attacking your Capitol Building.

      You need a decent potus & scotus to review the crap out of your laws/constitution.
      And I say this as a true admirer of the US.

      Over here we keep chipping away at injustices. About time to dethrone the Royal Family for starters, stop paying for 23 decadent Royal Estates.

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      • 89th8 Offline
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        89th
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        #16

        While immigration law is actually a civil (not criminal) matter, if someone enters the USA illegally, it technically is a criminal act, but let's clarify what level of crime. It is a misdemeanor for the first offense, the same "criminal" level as dropping a cigarette butt from your car window or shaking a broom out of your New York apartment window. (seriously) Now, if you are deported and return illegally, that is a felony.

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          AndyD
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          #17

          If you return illegally three times is your sentence life?

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          • A AndyD

            As I understand your law, it is a criminal offence to enter the USA by illegal methods, whether by jumping a fence, hitching a boat ride or presenting a fake passport at customs.
            These people may be gun toting drug dealers or hard working catholics, no matter, they are criminals as defined by federal law.

            Just as it is the law that your President can legally blanket pardon armed rioters who caused or contributed to multiple deaths when attacking your Capitol Building.

            You need a decent potus & scotus to review the crap out of your laws/constitution.
            And I say this as a true admirer of the US.

            Over here we keep chipping away at injustices. About time to dethrone the Royal Family for starters, stop paying for 23 decadent Royal Estates.

            RenaudaR Offline
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            Renauda
            wrote last edited by
            #18

            @AndyD

            About time to dethrone the Royal Family for starters, stop paying for 23 decadent Royal Estates.

            And then adopt republican governance?

            Repugnant.

            Elbows up!

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            • A AndyD

              If you return illegally three times is your sentence life?

              89th8 Offline
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              89th
              wrote last edited by
              #19

              @AndyD said in I don’t recall seeing such seething hatred for the constitution:

              If you return illegally three times is your sentence life?

              Nope, once you commit enough crimes they actually make you President! Weird law.

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              • MikM Offline
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                Mik
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                #20

                Yeah this entry authorization will not, and should not, stand. I’m sure suits to stop this are already filed

                "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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                • RenaudaR Renauda

                  @AndyD

                  About time to dethrone the Royal Family for starters, stop paying for 23 decadent Royal Estates.

                  And then adopt republican governance?

                  Repugnant.

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                  Doctor Phibes
                  wrote last edited by Doctor Phibes
                  #21

                  @Renauda said in I don’t recall seeing such seething hatred for the constitution:

                  @AndyD

                  About time to dethrone the Royal Family for starters, stop paying for 23 decadent Royal Estates.

                  And then adopt republican governance?

                  Repugnant.

                  President Farage may only be a few short years away.

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                  I was only joking

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                  • RenaudaR Offline
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                    Renauda
                    wrote last edited by
                    #22

                    All the more reason not to go that route.

                    Elbows up!

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                    • HoraceH Offline
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                      Horace
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                      #23

                      I have a normal level of sympathy for the perspective that illegals do a great deal of the work in this country. But enforcing the law regarding their presence hardly equates to a seething hatred of the constitution. Which feels gross to even type, it's just so inflammatory and idiotic.

                      Education is extremely important.

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                      • jon-nycJ Offline
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                        jon-nyc
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                        #24

                        The seething hatred is for the 4th amendment.

                        The whole reason we call them illegal aliens is because they’re subject to our laws.

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                        • HoraceH Offline
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                          Horace
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                          #25

                          You hand wave law that is far more ambiguous than you want the board to believe. You are not a legal expert, and furthermore, legal experts differ constantly. There is no hard line as you would have people believe.

                          Education is extremely important.

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                            jon-nyc
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                            #26

                            Orin Kerr is the most cited living expert on the 4th amendment and has written about this. True, there's the son of a former meth whore who went to YLS who has a different opinion but I'm not sure any legal scholars have ever cited him for his legal thoughts.

                            The whole reason we call them illegal aliens is because they’re subject to our laws.

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                              Horace
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                              #27

                              And you chose to just hand wave his writings without putting them into your own words. Try it.

                              Education is extremely important.

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                                jon-nyc
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                                #28

                                The seething hatred for the constitution is also a recurring theme. We see how much the administration hates the first amendment, the fifth amendment (due process), the 12th amendment (electoral count), emoluments clause, separation of powers, “take care” clause (cf TikTok), and the oath of office (peaceful transfer of power) and I’m probably forgetting 10 things.

                                The whole reason we call them illegal aliens is because they’re subject to our laws.

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                                  Horace
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                                  #29

                                  I don't really buy it. The emotional perspective is so strong. You will see what you want to see, and not see what you don't want to see in previous administrations.

                                  Education is extremely important.

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                                    jon-nyc
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                                    #30

                                    You’re going to look us in the eye and say he respects the first amendment? That one he violates most frequently including this week with another threatened lawsuit over a poll he didn’t like. How about due process? They outright argued due process is not for guilty people.

                                    The whole reason we call them illegal aliens is because they’re subject to our laws.

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                                      Horace
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                                      #31

                                      I do realize that he's an outlier, and he doesn't care about that.

                                      Education is extremely important.

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                                      • 89th8 Offline
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                                        89th
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                                        #32

                                        As always, if Obama had done what Trump did, the armed MAGA would be ready to attack. Assault the capitol to stop Trump from being certified as the winner? Have masked arms men throw people into their car and speed away without identification warrant or due process? Enter homes without a warrant.

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                                        • 89th8 89th

                                          As always, if Obama had done what Trump did, the armed MAGA would be ready to attack. Assault the capitol to stop Trump from being certified as the winner? Have masked arms men throw people into their car and speed away without identification warrant or due process? Enter homes without a warrant.

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                                          Renauda
                                          wrote last edited by
                                          #33

                                          @89th

                                          Mass apoplexy would ensue.

                                          Elbows up!

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