I don’t recall seeing such seething hatred for the constitution

[Renauda]

All the more reason not to go that route.

[Horace]

I have a normal level of sympathy for the perspective that illegals do a great deal of the work in this country. But enforcing the law regarding their presence hardly equates to a seething hatred of the constitution. Which feels gross to even type, it's just so inflammatory and idiotic.

[jon-nyc]

The seething hatred is for the 4th amendment.

[Horace]

You hand wave law that is far more ambiguous than you want the board to believe. You are not a legal expert, and furthermore, legal experts differ constantly. There is no hard line as you would have people believe.

[jon-nyc]

Orin Kerr is the most cited living expert on the 4th amendment and has written about this. True, there's the son of a former meth whore who went to YLS who has a different opinion but I'm not sure any legal scholars have ever cited him for his legal thoughts.

[Horace]

And you chose to just hand wave his writings without putting them into your own words. Try it.

[jon-nyc]

The seething hatred for the constitution is also a recurring theme. We see how much the administration hates the first amendment, the fifth amendment (due process), the 12th amendment (electoral count), emoluments clause, separation of powers, “take care” clause (cf TikTok), and the oath of office (peaceful transfer of power) and I’m probably forgetting 10 things.

[Horace]

I don't really buy it. The emotional perspective is so strong. You will see what you want to see, and not see what you don't want to see in previous administrations.

[jon-nyc]

You’re going to look us in the eye and say he respects the first amendment? That one he violates most frequently including this week with another threatened lawsuit over a poll he didn’t like. How about due process? They outright argued due process is not for guilty people.

[Horace]

I do realize that he's an outlier, and he doesn't care about that.

[89th]

As always, if Obama had done what Trump did, the armed MAGA would be ready to attack. Assault the capitol to stop Trump from being certified as the winner? Have masked arms men throw people into their car and speed away without identification warrant or due process? Enter homes without a warrant.

[Renauda]

@89th

Mass apoplexy would ensue.