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I don’t recall seeing such seething hatred for the constitution

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  • Tom-KT Tom-K

    @89th said in I don’t recall seeing such seething hatred for the constitution:
    Heck, at 3pm they raided a construction site about 2 miles north to haul off some folks roofing (yes, in negative degree temps they are working hard with their kids in school).

    There is going to be a serious problem with people getting a new roof if all these illegal immigrants are deported. Most of the illegals have found a valuable place in the economy doing things that Americans can't or won't do. I'm starting to think they should let the GOOD people apply for citizenship if they are doing something useful.

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    @Tom-K said in I don’t recall seeing such seething hatred for the constitution:

    There is going to be a serious problem with people getting a new roof if all these illegal immigrants are deported. Most of the illegals have found a valuable place in the economy doing things that Americans can't or won't do. I'm starting to think they should let the GOOD people apply for citizenship if they are doing something useful.

    Uh huh. Two of them just laid a floor for me this week. Did a beautiful job.

    "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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      Yeah most folks rely on their cheap/skilled labor without thinking twice. Painters, construction, chefs in a Mexican restaurant, farm workers... That's what bothers me, most of those 25,000 non-criminal detainees were just hard working dads trying to make money for their family. Makes me sick to see it.

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        As I understand your law, it is a criminal offence to enter the USA by illegal methods, whether by jumping a fence, hitching a boat ride or presenting a fake passport at customs.
        These people may be gun toting drug dealers or hard working catholics, no matter, they are criminals as defined by federal law.

        Just as it is the law that your President can legally blanket pardon armed rioters who caused or contributed to multiple deaths when attacking your Capitol Building.

        You need a decent potus & scotus to review the crap out of your laws/constitution.
        And I say this as a true admirer of the US.

        Over here we keep chipping away at injustices. About time to dethrone the Royal Family for starters, stop paying for 23 decadent Royal Estates.

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          89th
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          While immigration law is actually a civil (not criminal) matter, if someone enters the USA illegally, it technically is a criminal act, but let's clarify what level of crime. It is a misdemeanor for the first offense, the same "criminal" level as dropping a cigarette butt from your car window or shaking a broom out of your New York apartment window. (seriously) Now, if you are deported and return illegally, that is a felony.

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            AndyD
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            If you return illegally three times is your sentence life?

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            • A AndyD

              As I understand your law, it is a criminal offence to enter the USA by illegal methods, whether by jumping a fence, hitching a boat ride or presenting a fake passport at customs.
              These people may be gun toting drug dealers or hard working catholics, no matter, they are criminals as defined by federal law.

              Just as it is the law that your President can legally blanket pardon armed rioters who caused or contributed to multiple deaths when attacking your Capitol Building.

              You need a decent potus & scotus to review the crap out of your laws/constitution.
              And I say this as a true admirer of the US.

              Over here we keep chipping away at injustices. About time to dethrone the Royal Family for starters, stop paying for 23 decadent Royal Estates.

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              Renauda
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              @AndyD

              About time to dethrone the Royal Family for starters, stop paying for 23 decadent Royal Estates.

              And then adopt republican governance?

              Repugnant.

              Elbows up!

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              • A AndyD

                If you return illegally three times is your sentence life?

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                @AndyD said in I don’t recall seeing such seething hatred for the constitution:

                If you return illegally three times is your sentence life?

                Nope, once you commit enough crimes they actually make you President! Weird law.

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                • MikM Away
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                  Mik
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                  Yeah this entry authorization will not, and should not, stand. I’m sure suits to stop this are already filed

                  "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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                  • RenaudaR Renauda

                    @AndyD

                    About time to dethrone the Royal Family for starters, stop paying for 23 decadent Royal Estates.

                    And then adopt republican governance?

                    Repugnant.

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                    @Renauda said in I don’t recall seeing such seething hatred for the constitution:

                    @AndyD

                    About time to dethrone the Royal Family for starters, stop paying for 23 decadent Royal Estates.

                    And then adopt republican governance?

                    Repugnant.

                    President Farage may only be a few short years away.

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                    I was only joking

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                    • RenaudaR Offline
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                      Renauda
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                      All the more reason not to go that route.

                      Elbows up!

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                        I have a normal level of sympathy for the perspective that illegals do a great deal of the work in this country. But enforcing the law regarding their presence hardly equates to a seething hatred of the constitution. Which feels gross to even type, it's just so inflammatory and idiotic.

                        Education is extremely important.

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                          jon-nyc
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                          The seething hatred is for the 4th amendment.

                          The whole reason we call them illegal aliens is because they’re subject to our laws.

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