ICE kills a US citizen in Minneapolis
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She had quite a lot of experience with public agitation to be one to "panic". Likely she figured it was the move that would maybe go viral, or whatever her ultimate intention was. She probably didn't lend credence to the possibility that she'd catch a bullet or three, but that's what separates professional agitators from those of us who do respect the objective fact that you're messing around with people with guns, and the ambiguous authority to use them.
We also don't actually know, even now, whether she'd have done anything differently, knowing the outcome. It's not as if martyrdom is an unheard of motivation for political zealots.
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Spoke at length last evening with a very close friend who served thirty odd years on the Calgary Police Service. Some of those years with the tactical squad. Upon retirement the Service brought him back on contract to train police cadets on essentials of engagement and self defence.
He made some very interesting comments about the incident. First and foremost is the LEO made a fundamental rookie error by walking directly behind and then in front of an engaged vehicle with its driver still behind the wheel and its engine running. Secondly, if they wished to apprehend the woman, placing one of their vehicles directly in front (and behind, if practicable) of her vehicle would immediately deny any egress for her by vehicle. In any event, he would not have handled the situation as these LEOs. She would have been told to immediately vacate the area and the police would deal with her later at her home or in a place away from the ongoing operation. The videos in circulation clearly demonstrate she and her partner’s mischief and obstruction acts did not pose any immediate physical threat to any officer or public on the scene.
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Here there is court precedent that intentionally putting yourself in harms way doesn't make a subsequent shooting self defense. A recent case had a cop jump onto the running board of an escaping truck and then executing the driver and claiming self defense. The court looks at the 'totality of the situation' and found it unjustified.
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It's a cliche to refer to people we don't like as fascists, but how else would you describe that guy's behaviour?
I was only joking
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@jon-nyc said in ICE kills a US citizen in Minneapolis:
Zero chance ICE survives the next democratic administration. None whatsoever.
Well, once they have rid the nation of Hispanics, they'll have to find new areas to focus their efforts. They can ensure that voting is secure and safe for real Americans and that voting places close on time - vote counters leave when the election is called.
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It's a cliche to refer to people we don't like as fascists, but how else would you describe that guy's behaviour?
@Doctor-Phibes said in ICE kills a US citizen in Minneapolis:
It's a cliche to refer to people we don't like as fascists, but how else would you describe that guy's behaviour?
Privileged two-bit thuggery?
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ICE was nearby here. In my son's preschool parking lot but left at 830am after being asked by staff. They were just using the parking lot as a staging area. I missed it barely, dropped him off at 850am! They also were at a neighborhood 2 developments away arresting one of the workers there. That really sucks, you leave to go do work and just never come home. No judge, no warrant, no process, just herded up and sent in a plane to El Salvador or wherever. Probably dropped his kid off at school today just like me.
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My understanding is that the immediate deportees have already seen the judge and have had outstanding warrants in place for years.
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I seriously doubt he was on a plane to El Salvador today. It stands to reason they would look into his family members, especially children.
@Mik said in ICE kills a US citizen in Minneapolis:
I seriously doubt he was on a plane to El Salvador today. It stands to reason they would look into his family members, especially children.
I'm not saying he was on the plane today. But I am fairly certain his wife and kids have no idea where he is and won't for a few days or weeks, at least if he is processed the way they had been doing things in Ohio and Illinois. Plenty of stories where dayworkers are scooped up and the family doesn't even know who to call for information. I recall one story where the daughter moved to Brazil to be with her deported dad, but took her a few weeks to find out where exactly he is after not coming home one day and his work pickup truck abandoned.
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Yeah, but you are painting this tearjerking story without any specific knowledge of how this is being done. I think you've been assimilated by the Minnesoooota Democrats.
"You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell
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Megyn's take today. I see nothing obviously wrong with this. I understand everybody is having a rhetorical field day, but as rhetoric goes, this is fine and coherent.
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The guy next to the driver's door was in no danger at all. The guy more in front of the car should not have been where he was, and was not, as far as I can see, hit by the car. In any event, firing into the car was going to do nothing to stop a Honda Pilot unless, of course, you kill the driver. Even though they did it affected the car's path very little.
Still not buying it.
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Coherent yes, but still an only a third party investigation unconvincingly presented as objective and factual. Of course the deceased and her partner were engaged in mischief and obstruction. Both could be dealt with later and elsewhere.
Beyond that, I remain doubtful. Especially since partisan politicians of all stripes and colours along with their appointed minions within hours of the incident weighed in as self appointed judges and jury on what happened.
Hopefully, the ensuing investigation and inquiry will reveal the truth. But that will occur if the “partisans” can keep their mouths shut and minds open.
Elbows up!
