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Subsidizing Homeborrowership

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  • LuFins DadL Offline
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    wrote last edited by LuFins Dad
    #19

    Yeah, the more I think about it, that must be based on new mortgages only.

    Edit… Unless Interest only mortgages have made another comeback? I know a lot of investors use them when buying vacation rental properties….

    The Brad

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    • MikM Mik

      Agreed, LuFin. I'm gently coaxing my daughter to get on top of this and be the one who pilots using it in project management at her firm. i say gently because she's up to her ass in alligators at the moment through poorly written contracts and scopes.

      89th8 Offline
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      @Mik said in Subsidizing Homeborrowership:

      Agreed, LuFin. I'm gently coaxing my daughter to get on top of this and be the one who pilots using it in project management at her firm. i say gently because she's up to her ass in alligators at the moment through poorly written contracts and scopes.

      Smart, if you can get informed NOW (certs, training, youtube videos, etc) and help lead the adoption of AI tools, you will cover your butt for a few years at least. I'll start a new thread with a fun AI game called gandalf...

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        #21

        @jon-nyc any ideas of the sourcing of that graph? I’m seeing it pop up on Facebook, and while I see they cite Bloomberg and several realtor groups, there’s no actual citation or methodology for the graph listed. I’m strongly thinking it’s BS or poorly correlated data at the best.

        The Brad

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        • jon-nycJ Offline
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          #22

          I don't remember the original source, it was retweeted by a credible account. I agree it has to be newly originated mortgages.

          If you don't take it, it can only good happen.

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          • 89th8 Offline
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            #23

            I found this version, has a bit more detail. So yes, based on 30-year, 20% down, what would the 1st payment be (interest and principal). None of this is surprising based on how the rates jumped after 2021.

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            • 89th8 Offline
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              #24

              I mean in our neighborhood if we bought today instead of 4 years ago (early 2021), we'd be paying an additional $1,400 per month in interest.

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              • LuFins DadL Offline
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                #25

                The amount of principal being equal or lower than it was from 17-21 seems wrong, though, too. It would project that the median home value is lower than it was in 2021, and that’s certainly not the case.

                The Brad

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                  #26

                  I’m not trying to say that the interest rates haven’t drastically altered the equation. They obviously have… But as home prices have gone up, so too would the amount of principal paid per payment.

                  The Brad

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                    The other thing that strikes me is the recency bias. The interest rates over the past 25 years have been historically low. Even today. The total difference in principal vs interest as a percentage of the payment today isn’t that much more than it was in 2001. In fact, the mortgage interest rate today is actually lower than it was in 2001… The affordability crisis is not being caused by mortgage interest, it’s being caused by the Median home value skyrocketing increasing over 150% over 20 years while wages have only been a little better than stagnant.

                    The Brad

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                    • 89th8 Offline
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                      #28

                      Yeah agreed on all counts

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                      • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                        The amount of principal being equal or lower than it was from 17-21 seems wrong, though, too. It would project that the median home value is lower than it was in 2021, and that’s certainly not the case.

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                        @LuFins-Dad said in Subsidizing Homeborrowership:

                        The amount of principal being equal or lower than it was from 17-21 seems wrong, though, too. It would project that the median home value is lower than it was in 2021, and that’s certainly not the case.

                        I thought about that. It probably means that on average people were taking on longer term mortgages as rates rose - fewer 15yr and more 30 yr. That means less principal in the early payment.

                        If you don't take it, it can only good happen.

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                          I just asked ChatGPT to run the numbers using typical rates today on a 500k house with 20% down. The difference in principal paid on payment 1 was substantial. $345 on the 30yr vs $1,349 on the 15.

                          If you don't take it, it can only good happen.

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