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  • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

    One is reminded of Solzhenitsyn’s line from Gulag Archipelago that Jordan Peterson loves to quote - the line separating good and evil passes not through states, nor between classes, nor between political parties, but right through every human heart.

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    @jon-nyc said in Charlie Kirk Shot:

    One is reminded of Solzhenitsyn’s line from Gulag Archipelago that Jordan Peterson loves to quote - the line separating good and evil passes not through states, nor between classes, nor between political parties, but right through every human heart.

    So, he's saying it's subjective or arbitrary?

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    • AxtremusA Axtremus

      @jon-nyc said in Charlie Kirk Shot:

      One is reminded of Solzhenitsyn’s line from Gulag Archipelago that Jordan Peterson loves to quote - the line separating good and evil passes not through states, nor between classes, nor between political parties, but right through every human heart.

      So, he's saying it's subjective or arbitrary?

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      #106

      @Axtremus said in Charlie Kirk Shot:

      @jon-nyc said in Charlie Kirk Shot:

      One is reminded of Solzhenitsyn’s line from Gulag Archipelago that Jordan Peterson loves to quote - the line separating good and evil passes not through states, nor between classes, nor between political parties, but right through every human heart.

      So, he's saying it's subjective or arbitrary?

      Not even close.

      The Brad

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        #107

        Eh ... "every human heart" seems pretty subjective, pretty arbitrary.

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        • AxtremusA Axtremus

          Eh ... "every human heart" seems pretty subjective, pretty arbitrary.

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          #108

          @Axtremus said in Charlie Kirk Shot:

          Eh ... "every human heart" seems pretty subjective, pretty arbitrary.

          Every? Nothing subjective there. 100%. Each and every single one. Nothing arbitrary, that is an absolute.

          The Brad

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          • MikM Away
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            Yeah, I agree. Not subjective and, I believe, quite true if we want to be honest with ourselves. I know I’ve done things that could be construed as evil.

            "The intelligent man who is proud of his intelligence is like the condemned man who is proud of his large cell." Simone Weil

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              #110

              lol

              Thank you for your attention to this matter.

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              • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                @Axtremus said in Charlie Kirk Shot:

                Eh ... "every human heart" seems pretty subjective, pretty arbitrary.

                Every? Nothing subjective there. 100%. Each and every single one. Nothing arbitrary, that is an absolute.

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                @LuFins-Dad said in Charlie Kirk Shot:

                @Axtremus said in Charlie Kirk Shot:

                Eh ... "every human heart" seems pretty subjective, pretty arbitrary.

                Every? Nothing subjective there. 100%. Each and every single one. Nothing arbitrary, that is an absolute.

                How is it not subjective or arbitrary when different human hearts decide differently on whether something is good or evil? Heck, even the same human heart can decide differently on whether the same thing is good or evil at different times.

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                • AxtremusA Axtremus

                  @LuFins-Dad said in Charlie Kirk Shot:

                  @Axtremus said in Charlie Kirk Shot:

                  Eh ... "every human heart" seems pretty subjective, pretty arbitrary.

                  Every? Nothing subjective there. 100%. Each and every single one. Nothing arbitrary, that is an absolute.

                  How is it not subjective or arbitrary when different human hearts decide differently on whether something is good or evil? Heck, even the same human heart can decide differently on whether the same thing is good or evil at different times.

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                  #112

                  @Axtremus said in Charlie Kirk Shot:

                  @LuFins-Dad said in Charlie Kirk Shot:

                  @Axtremus said in Charlie Kirk Shot:

                  Eh ... "every human heart" seems pretty subjective, pretty arbitrary.

                  Every? Nothing subjective there. 100%. Each and every single one. Nothing arbitrary, that is an absolute.

                  How is it not subjective or arbitrary when different human hearts decide differently on whether something is good or evil? Heck, even the same human heart can decide differently on whether the same thing is good or evil at different times.

                  But it’s not subjective that every human heart draws that line. And it’s also not subjective that every human has crossed that line in their own hearts in both directions.

                  The Brad

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                    Truth.

                    "The intelligent man who is proud of his intelligence is like the condemned man who is proud of his large cell." Simone Weil

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                    • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                      @Axtremus said in Charlie Kirk Shot:

                      @LuFins-Dad said in Charlie Kirk Shot:

                      @Axtremus said in Charlie Kirk Shot:

                      Eh ... "every human heart" seems pretty subjective, pretty arbitrary.

                      Every? Nothing subjective there. 100%. Each and every single one. Nothing arbitrary, that is an absolute.

                      How is it not subjective or arbitrary when different human hearts decide differently on whether something is good or evil? Heck, even the same human heart can decide differently on whether the same thing is good or evil at different times.

                      But it’s not subjective that every human heart draws that line. And it’s also not subjective that every human has crossed that line in their own hearts in both directions.

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                      @LuFins-Dad said in Charlie Kirk Shot:

                      But it’s not subjective that every human heart draws that line.

                      Subjective or not, the statement above is likely false -- e.g., one can easily argues that a human in deep coma or with insufficient neurological development draw no line.

                      And it’s also not subjective that every human has crossed that line in their own hearts in both directions.

                      Yet many, if not every, draws that line subjectively/arbitrarily.

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                      • AxtremusA Axtremus

                        @LuFins-Dad said in Charlie Kirk Shot:

                        But it’s not subjective that every human heart draws that line.

                        Subjective or not, the statement above is likely false -- e.g., one can easily argues that a human in deep coma or with insufficient neurological development draw no line.

                        And it’s also not subjective that every human has crossed that line in their own hearts in both directions.

                        Yet many, if not every, draws that line subjectively/arbitrarily.

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                        @Axtremus said in Charlie Kirk Shot:

                        @LuFins-Dad said in Charlie Kirk Shot:

                        But it’s not subjective that every human heart draws that line.

                        Subjective or not, the statement above is likely false -- e.g., one can easily argues that a human in deep coma or with insufficient neurological development draw no line.

                        And it’s also not subjective that every human has crossed that line in their own hearts in both directions.

                        Yet many, if not every, draws that line subjectively/arbitrarily.

                        I’m bored with this debate, especially when you want to try and play pedantic and semantic games.

                        The Brad

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                          Okay, this is taking a weird turn.

                          So it is credibly reported that the roommate that turned over the messages wasn’t just a roommate, it was his partner, who is a Transwoman that is medically transitioning.

                          https://nypost.com/2025/09/13/us-news/charlie-kirk-shooter-tyler-robinson-lived-with-transgender-partner/

                          The Brad

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