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The whole orchestra playing movie soundtracks thing is jumping the shark…

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  • LuFins DadL Offline
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    I went to look up NSO events for a date night with Karla. This weekend, watch Harry Potter with the NSO playing the soundtrack. Next weekend, A Musical Salute to John Williams and Stephen Spielberg. The weekend after that? The Princess Bride with orchestra accompanying the film..

    The Brad

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    • AxtremusA Offline
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      Symphonic orchestras are too big to play weddings and bat mitzvahs, new "accessible" orchestral music are mostly written for film; orchestras don't have many alternatives.

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      • MikM Away
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        It sells. I don't love it either, but it sells. Especially in summer with so many outdoor shows.

        "The intelligent man who is proud of his intelligence is like the condemned man who is proud of his large cell." Simone Weil

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        • 89th8 Offline
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          Funny, as someone who is borderline obsessed with soundtracks, I've never had a pressing desire to watch a movie with a live orchestra. I think it would be fun for certain movies (ET comes to mind... even Spielberg [i think] said it's a corny tv movie without the music, but becomes great once Williams' operatic score is added).

          That musical salute to Spielberg and Williams would be fun. They dominated the last 25 years of last century (similar to Nolan/Zimmer dominated the first 25 years of this century). I've been to a few Hans Zimmer concerts before, and those are great, but very different from a symphony/orchestra.

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          • 89th8 Offline
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            Harry Potter could be fun too. The 30 seconds starting at the 2:00 mark is just so good, so fast, so much in synch, great crescendo/build up at the very end with the "drop off" chords.

            Link to video

            Oh the "wispy wind" sounds that come in at 0:43 for a few seconds is a great touch and transition.

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            • 89th8 Offline
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              Now if the NSO started performing live while showing Happy Days episodes, that would really be jumping the shark!

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              • AxtremusA Offline
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                Maybe play soundtracks from Jaws and Sharknado too?

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                • LuFins DadL Offline
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                  Oh, I didn’t mind when they started doing one Star Wars, Harry Potter, or Indiana Jones every summer.. I didn’t mind when they added in a video game music concert… But now they get through the original Star Wars Trilogy, 1-2 Harry Potter movies, 1-2 Indiana Jones movies, Avatar the Last Airbender, The Princess Bride, and who knows what other movies in one summer… it’s over done.

                  The Brad

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                  • jon-nycJ Online
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                    There’s a church in Manhattan that shows Nosferatu with a live orchestra around holloween. It’s pretty cool.

                    Thank you for your attention to this matter.

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                    • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                      There’s a church in Manhattan that shows Nosferatu with a live orchestra around holloween. It’s pretty cool.

                      LuFins DadL Offline
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                      @jon-nyc said in The whole orchestra playing movie soundtracks thing is jumping the shark…:

                      There’s a church in Manhattan that shows Nosferatu with a live orchestra around holloween. It’s pretty cool.

                      That does sound cool.

                      The Brad

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                      • MikM Away
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                        Mik
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                        Pretty edgy for a church.

                        "The intelligent man who is proud of his intelligence is like the condemned man who is proud of his large cell." Simone Weil

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                        • AxtremusA Axtremus

                          Maybe play soundtracks from Jaws and Sharknado too?

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                          @Axtremus said in The whole orchestra playing movie soundtracks thing is jumping the shark…:

                          Maybe play soundtracks from Jaws and Sharknado too?

                          Jaws doesn't really have a soundtrack worth playing, although I'm sure they play a short excerpt of the famous 2-note theme from it during the Spielberg/Williams special.

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                          • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                            @jon-nyc said in The whole orchestra playing movie soundtracks thing is jumping the shark…:

                            There’s a church in Manhattan that shows Nosferatu with a live orchestra around holloween. It’s pretty cool.

                            That does sound cool.

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                            @LuFins-Dad said in The whole orchestra playing movie soundtracks thing is jumping the shark…:

                            @jon-nyc said in The whole orchestra playing movie soundtracks thing is jumping the shark…:

                            There’s a church in Manhattan that shows Nosferatu with a live orchestra around holloween. It’s pretty cool.

                            That does sound cool.

                            Wow yeah.... never thought about that application of live music, but totally makes sense (obv the 1922 silent film version).

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                            • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                              Oh, I didn’t mind when they started doing one Star Wars, Harry Potter, or Indiana Jones every summer.. I didn’t mind when they added in a video game music concert… But now they get through the original Star Wars Trilogy, 1-2 Harry Potter movies, 1-2 Indiana Jones movies, Avatar the Last Airbender, The Princess Bride, and who knows what other movies in one summer… it’s over done.

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                              @LuFins-Dad said in The whole orchestra playing movie soundtracks thing is jumping the shark…:

                              Oh, I didn’t mind when they started doing one Star Wars, Harry Potter, or Indiana Jones every summer.. I didn’t mind when they added in a video game music concert… But now they get through the original Star Wars Trilogy, 1-2 Harry Potter movies, 1-2 Indiana Jones movies, Avatar the Last Airbender, The Princess Bride, and who knows what other movies in one summer… it’s over done.

                              Yeah agreed

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                                @LuFins-Dad said in The whole orchestra playing movie soundtracks thing is jumping the shark…:

                                @jon-nyc said in The whole orchestra playing movie soundtracks thing is jumping the shark…:

                                There’s a church in Manhattan that shows Nosferatu with a live orchestra around holloween. It’s pretty cool.

                                That does sound cool.

                                Wow yeah.... never thought about that application of live music, but totally makes sense (obv the 1922 silent film version).

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                                @89th said in The whole orchestra playing movie soundtracks thing is jumping the shark…:

                                @LuFins-Dad said in The whole orchestra playing movie soundtracks thing is jumping the shark…:

                                @jon-nyc said in The whole orchestra playing movie soundtracks thing is jumping the shark…:

                                There’s a church in Manhattan that shows Nosferatu with a live orchestra around holloween. It’s pretty cool.

                                That does sound cool.

                                Wow yeah.... never thought about that application of live music, but totally makes sense (obv the 1922 silent film version).

                                That’s actually a pretty big thing. I have a friend that plays accompaniment at Silent Film Festivals and showings around the country… Her name’s Makia Matsumura. @Rich knows her as well as she helps coordinate Artist Rentals for Yamaha artists around the country.

                                https://unpianistique.com/

                                The Brad

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                                  So my review of Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows Part II with the NSO playing live accompaniment…

                                  “Really?! I just paid $150 for the 3 of us to have a worse experience than we would have had for $45 at a Drive In Theater?!”

                                  Seriously, the big appeal to this was the outdoor movie. That was what 80% of the people there paid for. The actual performance by the orchestra wasn’t quite forgettable, which is a bad thing! The music should be forgettable in some ways. You should not notice the music in the actual middle of scenes. Overtures? Yes… Setting stages? Okay? But not in the middle of the scenes.

                                  Karla and I commented to each other about how the slow and melancholy melody completely changed the mood of what would have been an upbeat action sequence. The problem? We never should have noticed how it affected the emotion. When you notice the music in a film, it is failing.

                                  The Brad

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                                  • 89th8 Offline
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                                    AH! Epic fail.

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                                    • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                                      So my review of Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows Part II with the NSO playing live accompaniment…

                                      “Really?! I just paid $150 for the 3 of us to have a worse experience than we would have had for $45 at a Drive In Theater?!”

                                      Seriously, the big appeal to this was the outdoor movie. That was what 80% of the people there paid for. The actual performance by the orchestra wasn’t quite forgettable, which is a bad thing! The music should be forgettable in some ways. You should not notice the music in the actual middle of scenes. Overtures? Yes… Setting stages? Okay? But not in the middle of the scenes.

                                      Karla and I commented to each other about how the slow and melancholy melody completely changed the mood of what would have been an upbeat action sequence. The problem? We never should have noticed how it affected the emotion. When you notice the music in a film, it is failing.

                                      RenaudaR Offline
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                                      @LuFins-Dad

                                      When you notice the music in a film, it is failing.

                                      Not sure that can be said for all films. In some cases the music is an integral part of the cinematic illusion. Examples of such that come to mind are; Lawrence of Arabia, The Godfather, Master and Commander: The Far Side of the World as well the James Bond movies and Sergio Leone’s budget Spaghetti westerns with Clint Eastwood. The music soundtrack is very much part of the action in all those films.

                                      Elbows up!

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