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This week in lawfare

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  • jon-nycJ Offline
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    jon-nyc
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    #82

    The legal commentators I’ve read are pretty damn sure. I assume he’d rather have it dismissed and not pay six figures more for a jury trial.

    Person. Woman. Man. Camera. TV.

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      The legal commentators I’ve read are pretty damn sure. I assume he’d rather have it dismissed and not pay six figures more for a jury trial.

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      Horace
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      @jon-nyc said in This week in lawfare:

      The legal commentators I’ve read are pretty damn sure. I assume he’d rather have it dismissed and not pay six figures more for a jury trial.

      Small price to pay for a guy who wrote "A Higher Loyalty", or whatever his book was called which dripped with sanctimony. He should probably put his money where his mouth is, and establish how factually innocent he really is. Maybe it'll cost him some small fraction of his profits from his clout-chasing book, profits enabled by the cultural phenomenon that is Trump.

      Education is extremely important.

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        Maybe he'd rather not engage in this incredibly unbecoming and dangerous game of political petulant retribution. But at least the swamp is drained!

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          Maybe the legal system is way more malleable than we think, and people can in fact be factually convicted of crimes, if the powers that be would like to factually convict them. Laws are written in human language, and human language is notoriously inexact.

          Education is extremely important.

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            Yeah the system certainly has a bunch of slack in the line. Prosecutorial discretion, plea deals, and so forth. Lots of gray area. A President going after people who said mean things about him does not have as much gray area. Sorry, grey* area, @Doctor-Phibes

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              Captain and Senator Mark Kelly

              Person. Woman. Man. Camera. TV.

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              • MikM Offline
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                That was a judicious response, but the idea that ANYTHING our government does anymore is impartial is laughable.

                "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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                  #89

                  How was it a judicious response? How could just stating the law be subject to court martial?

                  Anyway go ahead and make a martyr out of him so Newsom has some competition.

                  Person. Woman. Man. Camera. TV.

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                  • MikM Offline
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                    Context, man, context. The congresscritter video was hardly judicious.

                    "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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                      Person. Woman. Man. Camera. TV.

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                        @jon-nyc apparently the attorney who's representing this government is rather...inexperienced. His previous position was something tax-related.

                        Is the DOJ going to go after all the "8647" merch on Amazon?

                        https://www.amazon.com/s?k=8647&crid=2U5TLYPYC1MQY&sprefix=8647%2Caps%2C182&ref=nb_sb_noss_1

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                          As with Trump's past life, the law is to be used a bludgeon - a tool that a minimum requires the adversary to spend a great deal of time and money in self defense. On a recommendation of John Kiriakou I've started reading this book that pretty much says if they want to come after you, you've probably done something that qualifies. Kiriakou tells the story of a woman on Hawaii who had a whale watching business. Someone posted a video of whale watching on her boat when a passenger blew a whistle. That violated a federal law - and over the next few years she essentially lost everything to legal expenses. If they want to destroy you, they can - and will. Discretion of prosecutors is not always reasonable. Another case I heard of was of a woman who when she was 10 years old was bullied by boy. In an act of revenge, she pulled down his pants on a playground. As a 10 year old, she was prosecuted for a sex crime and required to be listed as a sex criminal. She ended up having to leave the country. Even the boy involved admitted it had NOTHING to do with sex.
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                            As with Trump's past life, the law is to be used a bludgeon - a tool that a minimum requires the adversary to spend a great deal of time and money in self defense. On a recommendation of John Kiriakou I've started reading this book that pretty much says if they want to come after you, you've probably done something that qualifies. Kiriakou tells the story of a woman on Hawaii who had a whale watching business. Someone posted a video of whale watching on her boat when a passenger blew a whistle. That violated a federal law - and over the next few years she essentially lost everything to legal expenses. If they want to destroy you, they can - and will. Discretion of prosecutors is not always reasonable. Another case I heard of was of a woman who when she was 10 years old was bullied by boy. In an act of revenge, she pulled down his pants on a playground. As a 10 year old, she was prosecuted for a sex crime and required to be listed as a sex criminal. She ended up having to leave the country. Even the boy involved admitted it had NOTHING to do with sex.
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                            @kluurs Kiriakou has some experience with the process being the punishment.

                            I have little doubt that this is the case here.

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                              @jon-nyc apparently the attorney who's representing this government is rather...inexperienced. His previous position was something tax-related.

                              Is the DOJ going to go after all the "8647" merch on Amazon?

                              https://www.amazon.com/s?k=8647&crid=2U5TLYPYC1MQY&sprefix=8647%2Caps%2C182&ref=nb_sb_noss_1

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                              @Andrea-B

                              Ken White put it this way:

                              No rational person could see that and say “the former director of the FBI is saying he’s going to kill the President"!”
                              I could now cite to you a legion of cases for that proposition, finding rhetoric far more concerning than this protected by the First Amendment, analyzing language and context to show this is protected. But it wouldn’t matter, would it? If you are a minimally rational person, you don’t need to see the precedent, and if you’re a cultist, no amount of precedent matters to you.

                              Person. Woman. Man. Camera. TV.

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                                I saw that. It’s beyond ridiculous. He’d better hope they don’t lose both houses in the midterms or he’s setting himself up for another impeachment.

                                "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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