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This week in lawfare

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  • HoraceH Offline
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    Horace
    wrote on last edited by
    #85

    Maybe the legal system is way more malleable than we think, and people can in fact be factually convicted of crimes, if the powers that be would like to factually convict them. Laws are written in human language, and human language is notoriously inexact.

    Education is extremely important.

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    • 89th8 Offline
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      #86

      Yeah the system certainly has a bunch of slack in the line. Prosecutorial discretion, plea deals, and so forth. Lots of gray area. A President going after people who said mean things about him does not have as much gray area. Sorry, grey* area, @Doctor-Phibes

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      • jon-nycJ Offline
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        jon-nyc
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        #87

        Captain and Senator Mark Kelly

        Person. Woman. Man. Camera. TV.

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        • MikM Offline
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          #88

          That was a judicious response, but the idea that ANYTHING our government does anymore is impartial is laughable.

          "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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          • jon-nycJ Offline
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            jon-nyc
            wrote on last edited by jon-nyc
            #89

            How was it a judicious response? How could just stating the law be subject to court martial?

            Anyway go ahead and make a martyr out of him so Newsom has some competition.

            Person. Woman. Man. Camera. TV.

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            • MikM Offline
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              wrote on last edited by
              #90

              Context, man, context. The congresscritter video was hardly judicious.

              "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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              • jon-nycJ Offline
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                #91

                Person. Woman. Man. Camera. TV.

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                  Andrea BA Offline
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                  #92

                  @jon-nyc apparently the attorney who's representing this government is rather...inexperienced. His previous position was something tax-related.

                  Is the DOJ going to go after all the "8647" merch on Amazon?

                  https://www.amazon.com/s?k=8647&crid=2U5TLYPYC1MQY&sprefix=8647%2Caps%2C182&ref=nb_sb_noss_1

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                  • kluursK Offline
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                    kluurs
                    wrote last edited by kluurs
                    #93

                    As with Trump's past life, the law is to be used a bludgeon - a tool that a minimum requires the adversary to spend a great deal of time and money in self defense. On a recommendation of John Kiriakou I've started reading this book that pretty much says if they want to come after you, you've probably done something that qualifies. Kiriakou tells the story of a woman on Hawaii who had a whale watching business. Someone posted a video of whale watching on her boat when a passenger blew a whistle. That violated a federal law - and over the next few years she essentially lost everything to legal expenses. If they want to destroy you, they can - and will. Discretion of prosecutors is not always reasonable. Another case I heard of was of a woman who when she was 10 years old was bullied by boy. In an act of revenge, she pulled down his pants on a playground. As a 10 year old, she was prosecuted for a sex crime and required to be listed as a sex criminal. She ended up having to leave the country. Even the boy involved admitted it had NOTHING to do with sex.
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                    • kluursK kluurs

                      As with Trump's past life, the law is to be used a bludgeon - a tool that a minimum requires the adversary to spend a great deal of time and money in self defense. On a recommendation of John Kiriakou I've started reading this book that pretty much says if they want to come after you, you've probably done something that qualifies. Kiriakou tells the story of a woman on Hawaii who had a whale watching business. Someone posted a video of whale watching on her boat when a passenger blew a whistle. That violated a federal law - and over the next few years she essentially lost everything to legal expenses. If they want to destroy you, they can - and will. Discretion of prosecutors is not always reasonable. Another case I heard of was of a woman who when she was 10 years old was bullied by boy. In an act of revenge, she pulled down his pants on a playground. As a 10 year old, she was prosecuted for a sex crime and required to be listed as a sex criminal. She ended up having to leave the country. Even the boy involved admitted it had NOTHING to do with sex.
                      64e6af6c-74eb-4bc7-a58b-f43c2675da7f-image.jpeg

                      Andrea BA Offline
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                      #94

                      @kluurs Kiriakou has some experience with the process being the punishment.

                      I have little doubt that this is the case here.

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                      • Andrea BA Andrea B

                        @jon-nyc apparently the attorney who's representing this government is rather...inexperienced. His previous position was something tax-related.

                        Is the DOJ going to go after all the "8647" merch on Amazon?

                        https://www.amazon.com/s?k=8647&crid=2U5TLYPYC1MQY&sprefix=8647%2Caps%2C182&ref=nb_sb_noss_1

                        jon-nycJ Offline
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                        #95

                        @Andrea-B

                        Ken White put it this way:

                        No rational person could see that and say “the former director of the FBI is saying he’s going to kill the President"!”
                        I could now cite to you a legion of cases for that proposition, finding rhetoric far more concerning than this protected by the First Amendment, analyzing language and context to show this is protected. But it wouldn’t matter, would it? If you are a minimally rational person, you don’t need to see the precedent, and if you’re a cultist, no amount of precedent matters to you.

                        Person. Woman. Man. Camera. TV.

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                        • MikM Offline
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                          #96

                          I saw that. It’s beyond ridiculous. He’d better hope they don’t lose both houses in the midterms or he’s setting himself up for another impeachment.

                          "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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