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This week in lawfare

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  • MikM Offline
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    wrote last edited by
    #78

    I suspect this is a technicality and not uncommon. That's a current problem, that the opposition will seize on something that sounds bad but is in fact mundane.

    "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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    • HoraceH Offline
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      #79

      I heard about the story this morning on a podcast. Halligan created a new charging document which differed only by removing the unaccepted charges. Then the foreperson and one other juror were shown the new document, and the foreperson signed it. It's unclear whether the foreperson knew the document was not the exact one considered by the full jury, but there's no intent to deceive here in any case. It was a clerical error. Halligan's lack of experience probably mattered.

      Education is extremely important.

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      • MikM Offline
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        #80

        As I said. Nothingburger.

        "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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        • HoraceH Offline
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          #81

          Since Comey is so sure about his factual innocence, he should hope this technicality is not used to get the case dismissed. If he's interested in virtue maxing.

          But I suspect Comey is not actually all that sure of factual innocence.

          Education is extremely important.

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          • jon-nycJ Offline
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            wrote last edited by
            #82

            The legal commentators I’ve read are pretty damn sure. I assume he’d rather have it dismissed and not pay six figures more for a jury trial.

            “In the 25 years that I served in the United States Congress, Republicans never, ever, one time agreed on what a health care proposal should look like. Not once.”

            • Former Speaker of the House John Boehner
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            • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

              The legal commentators I’ve read are pretty damn sure. I assume he’d rather have it dismissed and not pay six figures more for a jury trial.

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              #83

              @jon-nyc said in This week in lawfare:

              The legal commentators I’ve read are pretty damn sure. I assume he’d rather have it dismissed and not pay six figures more for a jury trial.

              Small price to pay for a guy who wrote "A Higher Loyalty", or whatever his book was called which dripped with sanctimony. He should probably put his money where his mouth is, and establish how factually innocent he really is. Maybe it'll cost him some small fraction of his profits from his clout-chasing book, profits enabled by the cultural phenomenon that is Trump.

              Education is extremely important.

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                #84

                Maybe he'd rather not engage in this incredibly unbecoming and dangerous game of political petulant retribution. But at least the swamp is drained!

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                • HoraceH Offline
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                  #85

                  Maybe the legal system is way more malleable than we think, and people can in fact be factually convicted of crimes, if the powers that be would like to factually convict them. Laws are written in human language, and human language is notoriously inexact.

                  Education is extremely important.

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                    Yeah the system certainly has a bunch of slack in the line. Prosecutorial discretion, plea deals, and so forth. Lots of gray area. A President going after people who said mean things about him does not have as much gray area. Sorry, grey* area, @Doctor-Phibes

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                      Captain and Senator Mark Kelly

                      “In the 25 years that I served in the United States Congress, Republicans never, ever, one time agreed on what a health care proposal should look like. Not once.”

                      • Former Speaker of the House John Boehner
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                      • MikM Offline
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                        wrote last edited by
                        #88

                        That was a judicious response, but the idea that ANYTHING our government does anymore is impartial is laughable.

                        "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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                          jon-nyc
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                          #89

                          How was it a judicious response? How could just stating the law be subject to court martial?

                          Anyway go ahead and make a martyr out of him so Newsom has some competition.

                          “In the 25 years that I served in the United States Congress, Republicans never, ever, one time agreed on what a health care proposal should look like. Not once.”

                          • Former Speaker of the House John Boehner
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                          • MikM Offline
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                            Context, man, context. The congresscritter video was hardly judicious.

                            "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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