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ATC guy: avoid Newark ‘at all costs’

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  • jon-nycJ Offline
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    jon-nyc
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    #1

    20% of Newark ATC has walked off the job.

    https://www.cnn.com/2025/05/02/us/newark-airport-delays-air-traffic-staffing

    You were warned.

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    • MikM Offline
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      What a mess.

      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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      • HoraceH Online
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        They were warned. Leaving the house is never a good idea, least of all when you leave home to go to an airport.

        Education is extremely important.

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        • MikM Offline
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          It seems COVID restrictions had something to do with it. How stupid is that?

          In March 2020, the FAA suspended training at the FAA Academy in Oklahoma City for four months, in addition to pausing training at key facilities for periods ranging from seven months to nearly two years. The academy resumed training in July 2020 but with a 50 percent reduction in class size to accommodate the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention guidelines for social distancing.

          The report noted that “due to these uncertain training outcomes, FAA cannot ensure it will successfully train enough controllers in the short term.”

          https://www.flyingmag.com/watchdog-report-faa-lacks-a-plan-to-address-atc-shortages/

          “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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          • HoraceH Online
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            We can only hope that those COVID precautions saved a single human life. They would then be worth it, QED.

            Education is extremely important.

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            • jon-nycJ Offline
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              #6

              Welcome to Elaine Chao’s DoT.

              You were warned.

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              • CopperC Offline
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                #7

                I once spent the night on a bench on the sidewalk at Newark Airport, waiting for it to open.

                It's a long story, I was working at Exit 8A and my wife went into labor. It was the last time I flew on a DC8. It only had a few passengers, a very nice flight.

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                • LuFins DadL Offline
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                  I avoid Newark at all costs for other reasons.

                  The Brad

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                  • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                    I avoid Newark at all costs for other reasons.

                    CopperC Offline
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                    @LuFins-Dad said in Avoid Newark ‘at all costs’:

                    I avoid Newark at all costs for other reasons.

                    We had a data center in Newark, near the airport. We had to unlock the chain link fence any time we came or went. The fence surrounded the parking lot and was topped off with concertina wire.

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                    • jon-nycJ Offline
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                      I try to avoid it too but sometimes United will have the only non-stop to certain destinations (Naples for instance). I’ve also chosen it when the remaining seats on other airlines suck.

                      But I’ll definitely avoid it 100% until this is fixed.

                      You were warned.

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                      • jon-nycJ Offline
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                        Oddly I flew into Newark with the boy just last Monday coming home from Madrid. I think the shit started the next day.

                        You were warned.

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                        • CopperC Copper

                          I once spent the night on a bench on the sidewalk at Newark Airport, waiting for it to open.

                          It's a long story, I was working at Exit 8A and my wife went into labor. It was the last time I flew on a DC8. It only had a few passengers, a very nice flight.

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                          MikM Offline
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                          @Copper said in Avoid Newark ‘at all costs’:

                          I once spent the night on a bench on the sidewalk at Newark Airport, waiting for it to open.

                          It's a long story, I was working at Exit 8A and my wife went into labor. It was the last time I flew on a DC8. It only had a few passengers, a very nice flight.

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                          That was a looonnnggg time ago.

                          “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                            Then there was the old People Express terminal. It was tiny and had a low ceiling and People Express had a 747 flight from Newark to Boston. The terminal was built for small airplanes and the 747 was not small, it was a shoulder-to-shoulder cattle car, but it was cheap.

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                            • CopperC Copper

                              Then there was the old People Express terminal. It was tiny and had a low ceiling and People Express had a 747 flight from Newark to Boston. The terminal was built for small airplanes and the 747 was not small, it was a shoulder-to-shoulder cattle car, but it was cheap.

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                              @Copper said in ATC guy: avoid Newark ‘at all costs’:

                              Then there was the old People Express terminal. It was tiny and had a low ceiling and People Express had a 747 flight from Newark to Boston. The terminal was built for small airplanes and the 747 was not small, it was a shoulder-to-shoulder cattle car, but it was cheap.

                              Wow!! That seems like it would be a really short flight. It would probably never fly at the proper height. LOL. Get up to height, and when it got there, start going down for the landing.

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                                You were warned.

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                                • MikM Offline
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                                  How does that possibly happen? The systems are not redundant failover? That’s scary.

                                  “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                    Most pilots are trained to look out the window.

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