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    jon-nyc
    wrote on 30 Apr 2025, 12:41 last edited by
    #1

    Consensus was 0.5, which took into account the predicted import surge.

    Actual number was -0.3.

    "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
    -Cormac McCarthy

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      jon-nyc
      wrote on 30 Apr 2025, 12:45 last edited by jon-nyc
      #2

      Q2 estimate -0.2.

      That would mark the official start of the Trump Recession(tm).

      "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
      -Cormac McCarthy

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        Horace
        wrote on 30 Apr 2025, 12:47 last edited by
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        Education is extremely important.

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          89th
          wrote on 30 Apr 2025, 12:47 last edited by
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          I always said Trump was like a bully at recess(ion)!

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            Horace
            wrote on 30 Apr 2025, 12:54 last edited by
            #5

            U.S. GDP contracts in Q1, price index jumps

            The advance estimate of U.S. real GDP indicated a 0.3% Q/Q decrease in Q1, on an annual rate, weaker than the +0.2% consensus and reversing from the 2.4% growth logged in Q4 2024, according to data released by the Bureau of Economic Analysis on Wednesday.

            The PCE price index increased 3.6% Q/Q, up from 2.4% in Q4. Excluding food and energy prices, the core PCE price index jumped 3.5% vs. 2.6% in the prior quarter.

            The drop in real GDP in Q1 reflected an increase in imports, which are a subtraction in the calculation of GDP, and a decline in government spending. Those were partly offset by increases in investment, consumer spending, and exports, the BEA said.

            Wednesday's GDP report followed the March trade in goods report on Wednesday that showed the goods trade deficit swelled, as businesses and consumers stocked up on things as tariffs were expected to climb.

            Joseph Brusuelas, chief economist at RSM US, pointed out that the Q/Q decline in real GDP was the result of the trade deficit, but real final sales to domestic private purchases, known as core GDP, rose 2.3% Q/Q. "The takeaway: the trade shock caused a large change in behavior that resulted in that large drag due to a larger trade deficit. However, the economy did NOT slide into recession in Q1’25," he wrote on X.

            Markets weren't assuaged. Nasdaq futures slid 1.5%, S&P futures dipped 1.0%, and Dow futures slipped 0.6%. The US 10-year Treasury yield (US10Y) jumped 3 basis points to 4.21%.

            Education is extremely important.

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              LuFins Dad
              wrote on 30 Apr 2025, 13:05 last edited by
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              Worst economy ever!

              The Brad

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                taiwan_girl
                wrote on 30 Apr 2025, 13:34 last edited by
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                  Horace
                  wrote on 30 Apr 2025, 13:44 last edited by
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                  As daily dips go, this one does seem like an obvious buy.

                  Education is extremely important.

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                    jon-nyc
                    wrote on 30 Apr 2025, 14:19 last edited by
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                    Today's Q1 GDP data:
                    +0.6% Spain
                    +0.4% Eurozone
                    +0.3% Italy
                    +0.2% Germany
                    +0.2% Austria
                    +0.1% France
                    +0.2% Mexico
                    -0.3% U.S

                    "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                    -Cormac McCarthy

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                      Renauda
                      wrote on 30 Apr 2025, 14:21 last edited by
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                      Trump’s new theme song will be, I Fought the Market (and the Market Won).

                      Elbows up!

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                        jon-nyc
                        wrote on 30 Apr 2025, 14:33 last edited by
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                        My fear is he’ll start ordering the numbers to be cooked like his heroes do.

                        "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                        -Cormac McCarthy

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                          30 Apr 2025, 14:19

                          Today's Q1 GDP data:
                          +0.6% Spain
                          +0.4% Eurozone
                          +0.3% Italy
                          +0.2% Germany
                          +0.2% Austria
                          +0.1% France
                          +0.2% Mexico
                          -0.3% U.S

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                          jon-nyc
                          wrote on 30 Apr 2025, 16:40 last edited by jon-nyc
                          #12

                          @jon-nyc said in Negative GDP for Q1:

                          Today's Q1 GDP data:
                          +0.6% Spain
                          +0.4% Eurozone
                          +0.3% Italy
                          +0.2% Germany
                          +0.2% Austria
                          +0.1% France
                          +0.2% Mexico
                          -0.3% U.S

                          Just realized the European numbers aren’t annualized so multiply them by 4 for an approximate comparison.

                          "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                          -Cormac McCarthy

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                            jon-nyc
                            wrote on 30 Apr 2025, 16:50 last edited by jon-nyc
                            #13

                            I wondered where this would be on FauxNews.

                            Scrolling and scrolling and scrolling I went down to headline #36:

                            Trump urges 'be patient' on the economy, predicts 'boom...like no other'

                            3rd paragraph had this:
                            Stocks fell on Wednesday morning after new data showed the economy contracted for the first time in three years.

                            "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                            -Cormac McCarthy

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                              jon-nyc
                              wrote on 30 Apr 2025, 16:53 last edited by
                              #14

                              Headline 34 was:

                              Test yourself on equestrian events, flag facts and famous food

                              Headline 35 was

                              Walmart+ week is live: Here are 15 deals you can't miss

                              "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
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                                89th
                                wrote on 30 Apr 2025, 16:53 last edited by
                                #15

                                Heard a good line on a podcast today... it was something like people can be afraid of Trump... CEOs, journalists, legal firms... but the bond market, and the stock market, are not afraid of telling the truth.

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                                  30 Apr 2025, 13:44

                                  As daily dips go, this one does seem like an obvious buy.

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                                  Horace
                                  wrote on 30 Apr 2025, 20:28 last edited by Horace
                                  #16

                                  @Horace said in Negative GDP for Q1:

                                  As daily dips go, this one does seem like an obvious buy.

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                                  Education is extremely important.

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                                    30 Apr 2025, 20:28

                                    @Horace said in Negative GDP for Q1:

                                    As daily dips go, this one does seem like an obvious buy.

                                    10085c96-dc63-4b9c-9c4a-d05583f94aac-image.png

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                                    taiwan_girl
                                    wrote on 1 May 2025, 01:20 last edited by
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                                    @Horace Hopefully you bought low!!

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                                      1 May 2025, 01:20

                                      @Horace Hopefully you bought low!!

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                                      Horace
                                      wrote on 1 May 2025, 03:23 last edited by
                                      #18

                                      @taiwan_girl said in Negative GDP for Q1:

                                      @Horace Hopefully you bought low!!

                                      I just hope all my followers did.

                                      Education is extremely important.

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                                        89th
                                        wrote on 1 May 2025, 11:44 last edited by
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                                        That's cute you used the plural

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