Will we have a free election in 28? Or even 26?
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wrote on 24 Apr 2025, 16:47 last edited by
We're already seeing that he responds to public leanings. I think you'd be looking at wholesale revolt.
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wrote on 24 Apr 2025, 16:58 last edited by
You could have titled your post "Will Trump push back on an election loss", the answer would be yes. It's not obvious that Trump pushing back is the same as not having a free and fair election.
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wrote on 24 Apr 2025, 17:00 last edited by
Who would stop him this time, is the question. It’s not Kash Patel. It’s not JD Vance. It’s not Hegseth.
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wrote on 24 Apr 2025, 17:06 last edited by
This time around I have consistently underestimated what an utter cock he was going to be, based on the first time it wasn't actually as bad as I was expecting.
So, I imagine it will be bloody awful.
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wrote on 24 Apr 2025, 17:17 last edited by
Market must be back up over 40K…
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Who would stop him this time, is the question. It’s not Kash Patel. It’s not JD Vance. It’s not Hegseth.
wrote on 24 Apr 2025, 17:18 last edited by@jon-nyc said in Will we have a free election in 28? Or even 26?:
Who would stop him this time, is the question. It’s not Kash Patel. It’s not JD Vance. It’s not Hegseth.
Who will stop him from what? I gather this all leads to Trump assuming permanent power? Who will stop him from that? From a legal election result ratified by SCOTUS? Who will stop him from ... gathering his armed forces and daring anybody to try to make him leave? I don't think he has a clear path to that, and I don't think Patel and Bondi and Hegseth and Vance would give him a clear path to that.
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wrote on 24 Apr 2025, 17:49 last edited by
No he’d go through the whole process after removing “fraudulent votes”. Not talking military coup. More like Venezuela
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wrote on 24 Apr 2025, 17:51 last edited by jon-nyc
As we’ve seen he can get tens of millions to believe or pretend to believe that the votes really are fraudulent and by rejecting them he is “saving democracy”. It’s not hard for me to imagine Bondi and Hegseth telling themselves that story and thinking they’re doing the “right thing”.
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wrote on 24 Apr 2025, 17:55 last edited by
It's my understanding that all such schemes must go through SCOTUS, short of a military coup.
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wrote on 24 Apr 2025, 18:17 last edited by
So it will ultimately come down to whether he’s willing to defy scotus. That’s not too comforting.
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So it will ultimately come down to whether he’s willing to defy scotus. That’s not too comforting.
wrote on 24 Apr 2025, 18:21 last edited by@jon-nyc said in Will we have a free election in 28? Or even 26?:
So it will ultimately come down to whether he’s willing to defy scotus. That’s not too comforting.
Again, refusing to leave would require a military coup. He will be escorted out of the building if he does not leave willingly, and then it would come down to force vs force, if necessary.
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wrote on 24 Apr 2025, 18:36 last edited by
I think it's fair to say we can expect a right old pantomime.
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wrote on 24 Apr 2025, 19:34 last edited by
Hopefully Father Time will help encourage Mr Trump to... not be as involved in 2028.
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@jon-nyc said in Will we have a free election in 28? Or even 26?:
So it will ultimately come down to whether he’s willing to defy scotus. That’s not too comforting.
Again, refusing to leave would require a military coup. He will be escorted out of the building if he does not leave willingly, and then it would come down to force vs force, if necessary.
wrote on 24 Apr 2025, 19:39 last edited by@Horace said in Will we have a free election in 28? Or even 26?:
@jon-nyc said in Will we have a free election in 28? Or even 26?:
So it will ultimately come down to whether he’s willing to defy scotus. That’s not too comforting.
Again, refusing to leave would require a military coup. He will be escorted out of the building if he does not leave willingly, and then it would come down to force vs force, if necessary.
He declares some votes “fraudulent”, ergo his guy actually won the state, a compliant state gop sends electors, the house and VP certifies them. No tanks needed.
That’s what he tried in 2020 and a handful of patriots stopped him, up to his veep.
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@Horace said in Will we have a free election in 28? Or even 26?:
@jon-nyc said in Will we have a free election in 28? Or even 26?:
So it will ultimately come down to whether he’s willing to defy scotus. That’s not too comforting.
Again, refusing to leave would require a military coup. He will be escorted out of the building if he does not leave willingly, and then it would come down to force vs force, if necessary.
He declares some votes “fraudulent”, ergo his guy actually won the state, a compliant state gop sends electors, the house and VP certifies them. No tanks needed.
That’s what he tried in 2020 and a handful of patriots stopped him, up to his veep.
wrote on 24 Apr 2025, 19:45 last edited by@jon-nyc Final adjudication of any of those shenanigans, now as then, would be up to SCOTUS, as soon as some entity with standing challenged the friendly judgement calls from institutional Maga enthusiasts. I guess I can only say this so many times, but it remains the answer to your question, regardless of how many times the subject is brought up.
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wrote on 24 Apr 2025, 20:47 last edited by
Wow. Just wow.
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wrote on 24 Apr 2025, 20:54 last edited by jon-nyc
That’s one step above calling me deranged. But which of my propositions in the first post do you think are true?
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Why should I believe any of these three propositions:
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Trump will accept a loss (even with him not on the ballot) without claiming it was fraud.
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Trump won’t order DoJ (or even DoD) to seize voting machines, etc
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Pam Bondi and Kash Patel won’t comply with such an order.
If you think my concern is misplaced tell me why rather than just say I’m deranged.
wrote on 24 Apr 2025, 20:57 last edited by@jon-nyc said in Will we have a free election in 28? Or even 26?:
If you think my concern is misplaced tell me why rather than just say I’m deranged.
Your restriction doesn't mean it's not TDS. It is TDS.
And it is highly unlikely that he will live through is term. Given people spreading nonsense like the above I think there is an audience who will take this as a call to action. The voices are not just in the perps head, they are everywhere, even here.
And Mr. Trump is for the most part a law abiding citizen, the fabrications to the contrary are fabrications.
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Why should I believe any of these three propositions:
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Trump will accept a loss (even with him not on the ballot) without claiming it was fraud.
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Trump won’t order DoJ (or even DoD) to seize voting machines, etc
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Pam Bondi and Kash Patel won’t comply with such an order.
If you think my concern is misplaced tell me why rather than just say I’m deranged.
wrote on 24 Apr 2025, 21:01 last edited by@jon-nyc said in Will we have a free election in 28? Or even 26?:
Why should I believe any of these three propositions:
- Trump will accept a loss (even with him not on the ballot) without claiming it was fraud.
It will depend on how close it is.
- Trump won’t order DoJ (or even DoD) to seize voting machines, etc
No standing. These are state elections with state law enforcement.
- Pam Bondi and Kash Patel won’t comply with such an order.
Whether they do or not is irrelevant. The Court has shown their willingness to stand up to him. I suspect Congress is as well.
If you think my concern is misplaced tell me why rather than just say I’m deranged.
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@jon-nyc said in Will we have a free election in 28? Or even 26?:
Why should I believe any of these three propositions:
- Trump will accept a loss (even with him not on the ballot) without claiming it was fraud.
It will depend on how close it is.
- Trump won’t order DoJ (or even DoD) to seize voting machines, etc
No standing. These are state elections with state law enforcement.
- Pam Bondi and Kash Patel won’t comply with such an order.
Whether they do or not is irrelevant. The Court has shown their willingness to stand up to him. I suspect Congress is as well.
If you think my concern is misplaced tell me why rather than just say I’m deranged.
wrote on 24 Apr 2025, 21:20 last edited by jon-nyc@LuFins-Dad said in Will we have a free election in 28? Or even 26?:
It will depend on how close it is.
He claims he won the popular vote in California as well as nationally in 2016. Not exactly close.
No standing. These are state elections with state law enforcement.
That’s a court decision. He can send Kash’s goons to collect machines without going to courts. Yeah the states could sue but not until after he’s got them.
Whether they do or not is irrelevant. The Court has shown their willingness to stand up to him. I suspect Congress is as well.
Congress would in 28, as it’ll be democratically controlled. Which is why I’m concerned about 26.
But really it comes down to whether he’ll defy the courts, as his VP and most maga influencers are already asking him to.