El Salvador declines to return Garcia
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The Trump admin's messaging here is not at all focused on the decision of El Salvador, so I'm not sure how this notion of El Salvador refusing to return him became part of the discussion. The Trump admin is being very clear that they do not want that guy back. They will send no planes for him, and they will authorize no reentry for him. And yes, that does appear to violate the court order.
@Horace said in El Salvador declines to return Garcia:
The Trump admin's messaging here is not at all focused on the decision of El Salvador, so I'm not sure how this notion of El Salvador refusing to return him became part of the discussion. The Trump admin is being very clear that they do not want that guy back. They will send no planes for him, and they will authorize no reentry for him. And yes, that does appear to violate the court order.
Oh, I don’t disagree, and have commented that they need to follow due process, and haven’t. And yes, the whole “we asked nicely” shtick is patently and obviously ridiculous, and they know it. They are playing stupid games and are entitled to stupid prizes. I’m just saying that if they wanted to make an actually interesting argument, they could.
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So how will this end up?
A) Nothing, it fades away as a story, he remains in El Jail
B) He is returned, re-tried, and re-deported
C) He is killed while in El Salvador, memes later say he had evidence about Clinton and Epstein
D) He is transferred to another country, like Mexico
E) He is returned here and is allowed to stayI'm guessing C.
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It's unclear what, if any, fallout is practically possible for the Trump admin failing to adhere to the court order to facilitate his return. That may play a role.
@Horace said in El Salvador declines to return Garcia:
It's unclear what, if any, fallout is practically possible for the Trump admin failing to adhere to the court order to facilitate his return. That may play a role.
This. The practical implications from playing stupid games with the court will sink this administration.
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So I guess I was wrong when I said the Trump admin did not ask El Salvador to return Garcia. They claim to have asked, and they claim that they would provide a plane, in accordance with the court order. Then, we have the non-sequitur from the El Salvador president about how he would have to smuggle Garcia over the border. The operative decision continues to be the US administration's, but there is more verbal subterfuge and nonsense in the messaging from both countries than I realized.
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More about this wonderful “Maryland Father”
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Don’t get me wrong, he absolutely needs to be brought back. But for our sake, not his.
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That's weird he was just given a warning, too.
So for actual evidence, his only crime so far is he was loitering while looking for work.
But the more likely story is he's MS-13, an abusive husband at times, and likely a trafficker of illegals from Mexico to Maryland.
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@taiwan_girl said in El Salvador declines to return Garcia:
True or not? I dont know.
This is the stupidest argument ever. The marijuana leaf = M. The smiley with xed eyes = S, the single cross = 1, the skull with the 3 squares is a regular dice model = 3
MS13… An agent typed in the letters on the picture relating what each symbol meant. It’s a frigging gang symbol glossary on the picture but people are saying the letters are fake. Yes, they are fucking fake. Barrio -18 doesn’t tattoo that name on their arm using Arial font… FFS
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@Mik said in El Salvador declines to return Garcia:
All of which has nothing to do with defying a court order.
Absolutely. I don’t disagree. Hell, it never should have gotten to the point of needing a court order to begin with. There was a stay, they accidentally deported him anyway. Fix the problem. Bring him back, get the stay lifted, and deport him.
But let’s stop pretending this guy is a great father and a pillar of society.
The guy needs to be removed from the country and the administration needs to follow the law in doing so. Both can be true.
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I don't support non-criminals being placed in foreign prisons. If you want to deport an illegal, do so. But not to a prison.
Apparently, Garcia was moved to a better detention facility but still has no access to news or the ability to communicate with anyone outside.
The thing that was brought up regarding the odious prosecutions of Trump is if they can do it to him, they can do it to you. The same principle applies here.
“I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill
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I don't support non-criminals being placed in foreign prisons. If you want to deport an illegal, do so. But not to a prison.
Apparently, Garcia was moved to a better detention facility but still has no access to news or the ability to communicate with anyone outside.
The thing that was brought up regarding the odious prosecutions of Trump is if they can do it to him, they can do it to you. The same principle applies here.
@Mik said in El Salvador declines to return Garcia:
I don't support non-criminals being placed in foreign prisons. If you want to deport an illegal, do so. But not to a prison.
Apparently, Garcia was moved to a better detention facility but still has no access to news or the ability to communicate with anyone outside.
The thing that was brought up regarding the odious prosecutions of Trump is if they can do it to him, they can do it to you. The same principle applies here.
I’ll g
@Mik said in El Salvador declines to return Garcia:
I don't support non-criminals being placed in foreign prisons. If you want to deport an illegal, do so. But not to a prison.
Apparently, Garcia was moved to a better detention facility but still has no access to news or the ability to communicate with anyone outside.
The thing that was brought up regarding the odious prosecutions of Trump is if they can do it to him, they can do it to you. The same principle applies here.
I’ll go one further. I don’t even approve of sending foreign nationals to foreign prisons while they are still under our jurisdiction. They committed a crime? Lock them up, in the US. (Try them first, of course). Then deport or extradite if the other country has cause. The idea of using foreign prisons because they are more of a hellhole than we allow in the US is a complete hell fucking no in my mind, whether they are citizens or not. But if you deport him legally, I don’t really give a flying fig what the El Salvadoran government does with him after he is legally deported.
