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El Salvador declines to return Garcia

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  • jon-nycJ Online
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    jon-nyc
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    #5

    Yeah obviously Trump is the culprit here. Again.

    Only non-witches get due process.

    • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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    • JollyJ Offline
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      Jolly
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      #6

      Sneaky, ain't he?

      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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      • MikM Away
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        Mik
        wrote on last edited by
        #7

        Not in a good way.

        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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          Renauda
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          #8

          There is an extradition treaty in place between the US and El Salvador. Why not use it to bring this guy back?

          It is political nonsense what is going on here.

          Elbows up!

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          • JollyJ Offline
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            Jolly
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            #9

            Trump can be taught.

            I suspect he has been taking copious notes on the Biden Administration.

            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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            • MikM Away
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              Mik
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              #10

              I think you’re right, but he’s doing a lot of damage to his own goals. He can’t win a battle with scotus.

              “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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              • MikM Mik

                I think you’re right, but he’s doing a lot of damage to his own goals. He can’t win a battle with scotus.

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                kluurs
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                #11

                @Mik said in El Salvador declines to return Garcia:

                I think you’re right, but he’s doing a lot of damage to his own goals. He can’t win a battle with scotus.

                He may feel that his control of the DOJ defangs SCOTUS.

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                • MikM Away
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                  Mik
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #12

                  That would be an unfortunate assumption. We cannot afford a lawless presidency.

                  “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                    LuFins Dad
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                    #13

                    Both sides are making massive mistakes on this.

                    The left and anti-Trump folks are trying to lionize this guy and make him out to be something he is not. The guy is almost certainly a bad dude. It’s fairly well established that he’s an MS13 member, has been arrested and suspected of multiple crime before, and had only avoided deportations and jail in the past on technicalities. It’s okay to admit that and not try to paint him as a saintly father while arguing that his due process was ignored.

                    The MAGA folk need to remember that due process and how we treat the worst of us is the measure for morality in this country. There’s a reason why cops go to jail and guilty criminals go free when the police violate the law in going after them…

                    The Brad

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                    • MikM Away
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                      Mik
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                      #14

                      I haven't found any credible evidence that he is MS-13, or of a criminal record of any depth. As far as I can tell someone said he is MS-13 therefore he is.

                      I have some personal experience with this sort of thing, although I was never deported. In my junior year of high school the detectives came and arrested me in class and about twenty other people solely because someone said on such and such a date they possessed these drugs. No evidence of any sort. i could say Phibes murdered Larry and they'd arrest him. So based on that I have an aversion to this kind of shoddy law enforcement.

                      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                      • MikM Mik

                        I haven't found any credible evidence that he is MS-13, or of a criminal record of any depth. As far as I can tell someone said he is MS-13 therefore he is.

                        I have some personal experience with this sort of thing, although I was never deported. In my junior year of high school the detectives came and arrested me in class and about twenty other people solely because someone said on such and such a date they possessed these drugs. No evidence of any sort. i could say Phibes murdered Larry and they'd arrest him. So based on that I have an aversion to this kind of shoddy law enforcement.

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                        #15

                        @Mik said in El Salvador declines to return Garcia:

                        I haven't found any credible evidence that he is MS-13, or of a criminal record of any depth.

                        Exactly, even the DOJ admitted as much to the courts.

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                        • MikM Mik

                          I haven't found any credible evidence that he is MS-13, or of a criminal record of any depth. As far as I can tell someone said he is MS-13 therefore he is.

                          I have some personal experience with this sort of thing, although I was never deported. In my junior year of high school the detectives came and arrested me in class and about twenty other people solely because someone said on such and such a date they possessed these drugs. No evidence of any sort. i could say Phibes murdered Larry and they'd arrest him. So based on that I have an aversion to this kind of shoddy law enforcement.

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                          Doctor Phibes
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                          #16

                          @Mik said in El Salvador declines to return Garcia:

                          I haven't found any credible evidence that he is MS-13, or of a criminal record of any depth. As far as I can tell someone said he is MS-13 therefore he is.

                          I have some personal experience with this sort of thing, although I was never deported. In my junior year of high school the detectives came and arrested me in class and about twenty other people solely because someone said on such and such a date they possessed these drugs. No evidence of any sort. i could say Phibes murdered Larry and they'd arrest him. So based on that I have an aversion to this kind of shoddy law enforcement.

                          It's certainly interesting to contrast this situation with how the Tate brothers were treated.

                          I was only joking

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                          • JollyJ Offline
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                            Jolly
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                            #17

                            Go piss up a rope.

                            https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/kilmar-abrego-garcias-court-trump-deportation-el-salvador-president/

                            The U.S. government has NO power to demand a citizen of a foreign nation be returned to the U.S., unless it is for a crime and there exists an extradition treaty between the two countries, assuming both countries honor the treaty.

                            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                              xenon
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                              #18

                              Can they "ask"? The government admits they made a mistake.

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                              • MikM Away
                                MikM Away
                                Mik
                                wrote on last edited by
                                #19

                                So what is El Salvador's rationale for keeping him?

                                “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                  Horace
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                                  #20

                                  If the El Salvador president's words carry any weight, their rationale is in the story in the original post.

                                  Education is extremely important.

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                                  • MikM Away
                                    MikM Away
                                    Mik
                                    wrote on last edited by Mik
                                    #21

                                    Thin gruel. He's not carrying weight, just water.

                                    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                      Horace
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                                      #22

                                      The claim that this guy would be immediately illegal if returned to the US, and that therefore El Salvador would have to smuggle him in, is either factual or non-factual. I don't think it's a matter of opinion, nor a matter of carrying water for Trump. Maybe it's non-factual, but my understanding is that it's factual.

                                      Education is extremely important.

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                                        89th
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                                        #23

                                        El Prez is absolutely just doing whatever Trump asks to stay in good favor. This was an illegal immigrant who had no criminal history (and SCOTUS decided 0-9 against Trump...despite their claim of winning 9-0, how funny no one fact checked him on that), and no evidence he was a member of MS-13... in fact, he was ordered by a judge NOT TO BE FORCED BACK TO EL SALVADOR specifically BECAUSE of MS-13 wanting him dead.

                                        What a weird situation, but I'd have to imagine it results ultimately in this guy coming back to the USA or at least sent to another country. I feel bad for his wife and 3 kids (he married and had kids after an American judge ordered that he is not allowed to be sent back to El Salvador given the threat to his life).

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                                          LuFins Dad
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                                          #24

                                          Watch the first 15 minutes. It pretty much reflects where I am at.

                                          Link to video

                                          The Brad

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