El Salvador declines to return Garcia
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Both sides are making massive mistakes on this.
The left and anti-Trump folks are trying to lionize this guy and make him out to be something he is not. The guy is almost certainly a bad dude. It’s fairly well established that he’s an MS13 member, has been arrested and suspected of multiple crime before, and had only avoided deportations and jail in the past on technicalities. It’s okay to admit that and not try to paint him as a saintly father while arguing that his due process was ignored.
The MAGA folk need to remember that due process and how we treat the worst of us is the measure for morality in this country. There’s a reason why cops go to jail and guilty criminals go free when the police violate the law in going after them…
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I haven't found any credible evidence that he is MS-13, or of a criminal record of any depth. As far as I can tell someone said he is MS-13 therefore he is.
I have some personal experience with this sort of thing, although I was never deported. In my junior year of high school the detectives came and arrested me in class and about twenty other people solely because someone said on such and such a date they possessed these drugs. No evidence of any sort. i could say Phibes murdered Larry and they'd arrest him. So based on that I have an aversion to this kind of shoddy law enforcement.
“I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill
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I haven't found any credible evidence that he is MS-13, or of a criminal record of any depth. As far as I can tell someone said he is MS-13 therefore he is.
I have some personal experience with this sort of thing, although I was never deported. In my junior year of high school the detectives came and arrested me in class and about twenty other people solely because someone said on such and such a date they possessed these drugs. No evidence of any sort. i could say Phibes murdered Larry and they'd arrest him. So based on that I have an aversion to this kind of shoddy law enforcement.
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I haven't found any credible evidence that he is MS-13, or of a criminal record of any depth. As far as I can tell someone said he is MS-13 therefore he is.
I have some personal experience with this sort of thing, although I was never deported. In my junior year of high school the detectives came and arrested me in class and about twenty other people solely because someone said on such and such a date they possessed these drugs. No evidence of any sort. i could say Phibes murdered Larry and they'd arrest him. So based on that I have an aversion to this kind of shoddy law enforcement.
@Mik said in El Salvador declines to return Garcia:
I haven't found any credible evidence that he is MS-13, or of a criminal record of any depth. As far as I can tell someone said he is MS-13 therefore he is.
I have some personal experience with this sort of thing, although I was never deported. In my junior year of high school the detectives came and arrested me in class and about twenty other people solely because someone said on such and such a date they possessed these drugs. No evidence of any sort. i could say Phibes murdered Larry and they'd arrest him. So based on that I have an aversion to this kind of shoddy law enforcement.
It's certainly interesting to contrast this situation with how the Tate brothers were treated.
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Go piss up a rope.
The U.S. government has NO power to demand a citizen of a foreign nation be returned to the U.S., unless it is for a crime and there exists an extradition treaty between the two countries, assuming both countries honor the treaty.
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The claim that this guy would be immediately illegal if returned to the US, and that therefore El Salvador would have to smuggle him in, is either factual or non-factual. I don't think it's a matter of opinion, nor a matter of carrying water for Trump. Maybe it's non-factual, but my understanding is that it's factual.
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El Prez is absolutely just doing whatever Trump asks to stay in good favor. This was an illegal immigrant who had no criminal history (and SCOTUS decided 0-9 against Trump...despite their claim of winning 9-0, how funny no one fact checked him on that), and no evidence he was a member of MS-13... in fact, he was ordered by a judge NOT TO BE FORCED BACK TO EL SALVADOR specifically BECAUSE of MS-13 wanting him dead.
What a weird situation, but I'd have to imagine it results ultimately in this guy coming back to the USA or at least sent to another country. I feel bad for his wife and 3 kids (he married and had kids after an American judge ordered that he is not allowed to be sent back to El Salvador given the threat to his life).
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El Prez is absolutely just doing whatever Trump asks to stay in good favor. This was an illegal immigrant who had no criminal history (and SCOTUS decided 0-9 against Trump...despite their claim of winning 9-0, how funny no one fact checked him on that), and no evidence he was a member of MS-13... in fact, he was ordered by a judge NOT TO BE FORCED BACK TO EL SALVADOR specifically BECAUSE of MS-13 wanting him dead.
What a weird situation, but I'd have to imagine it results ultimately in this guy coming back to the USA or at least sent to another country. I feel bad for his wife and 3 kids (he married and had kids after an American judge ordered that he is not allowed to be sent back to El Salvador given the threat to his life).
@89th said in El Salvador declines to return Garcia:
El Prez is absolutely just doing whatever Trump asks to stay in good favor.
You make that sound like the obvious choice would be to smuggle the guy back into America, and he's not making the obvious choice just to ass-lick Trump. I don't think that's a fair framing. He would have to be motivated to make an anti-Trump political point, to spike that guy over the border like a political volleyball. And it is very unclear he would be doing the guy any favors by returning him to the US.
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Watch the first 15 minutes. It pretty much reflects where I am at.
Link to video@LuFins-Dad said in El Salvador declines to return Garcia:
Watch the first 15 minutes. It pretty much reflects where I am at.
Link to videoThanks for that link. So it seems that Trump is defying the court order to "facilitate the return of Garcia".
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El Prez is absolutely just doing whatever Trump asks to stay in good favor. This was an illegal immigrant who had no criminal history (and SCOTUS decided 0-9 against Trump...despite their claim of winning 9-0, how funny no one fact checked him on that), and no evidence he was a member of MS-13... in fact, he was ordered by a judge NOT TO BE FORCED BACK TO EL SALVADOR specifically BECAUSE of MS-13 wanting him dead.
What a weird situation, but I'd have to imagine it results ultimately in this guy coming back to the USA or at least sent to another country. I feel bad for his wife and 3 kids (he married and had kids after an American judge ordered that he is not allowed to be sent back to El Salvador given the threat to his life).
@89th said in El Salvador declines to return Garcia:
El Prez is absolutely just doing whatever Trump asks to stay in good favor. This was an illegal immigrant who had no criminal history (and SCOTUS decided 0-9 against Trump...despite their claim of winning 9-0, how funny no one fact checked him on that), and no evidence he was a member of MS-13... in fact, he was ordered by a judge NOT TO BE FORCED BACK TO EL SALVADOR specifically BECAUSE of MS-13 wanting him dead.
What a weird situation, but I'd have to imagine it results ultimately in this guy coming back to the USA or at least sent to another country. I feel bad for his wife and 3 kids (he married and had kids after an American judge ordered that he is not allowed to be sent back to El Salvador given the threat to his life).
Is that the same judge who found that he was a member of MS-13?
“Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”
Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton
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El Prez is absolutely just doing whatever Trump asks to stay in good favor. This was an illegal immigrant who had no criminal history (and SCOTUS decided 0-9 against Trump...despite their claim of winning 9-0, how funny no one fact checked him on that), and no evidence he was a member of MS-13... in fact, he was ordered by a judge NOT TO BE FORCED BACK TO EL SALVADOR specifically BECAUSE of MS-13 wanting him dead.
What a weird situation, but I'd have to imagine it results ultimately in this guy coming back to the USA or at least sent to another country. I feel bad for his wife and 3 kids (he married and had kids after an American judge ordered that he is not allowed to be sent back to El Salvador given the threat to his life).
@89th said in El Salvador declines to return Garcia:
El Prez is absolutely just doing whatever
I feel bad for his wife and 3 kids (he married and had kids after an American judge ordered that he is not allowed to be sent back to El Salvador given the threat to his life).Do you mean the wife and 3 kids that had restraining orders on him after he was using her as a punching bag?
The Brad
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@89th said in El Salvador declines to return Garcia:
El Prez is absolutely just doing whatever
I feel bad for his wife and 3 kids (he married and had kids after an American judge ordered that he is not allowed to be sent back to El Salvador given the threat to his life).Do you mean the wife and 3 kids that had restraining orders on him after he was using her as a punching bag?
@LuFins-Dad said in El Salvador declines to return Garcia:
@89th said in El Salvador declines to return Garcia:
El Prez is absolutely just doing whatever
I feel bad for his wife and 3 kids (he married and had kids after an American judge ordered that he is not allowed to be sent back to El Salvador given the threat to his life).Do you mean the wife and 3 kids that had restraining orders on him after he was using her as a punching bag?
Nah, the wife that didn't marry him until after he was arrested.
“Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”
Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton
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By the way, @89th , it wasn’t claimed that MS-13 wanted him dead, it was “other” gangs. I highly doubt Garcia would want to wear an MS-13 hoodie and be hanging with MS-13 gang members if they wanted him dead.
@LuFins-Dad said in El Salvador declines to return Garcia:
By the way, @89th , it wasn’t claimed that MS-13 wanted him dead, it was “other” gangs. I highly doubt Garcia would want to wear an MS-13 hoodie and be hanging with MS-13 gang members if they wanted him dead.
Sorry yes, it's a rival gang in El Salvador that wants him dead.
