This is not right
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wrote on 13 Apr 2025, 13:20 last edited by jon-nyc
Yeah it does. Earlier we spoke of a guy at the VA who moved to a new role 18 months ago so was technically probationary. They sacked him and he had 2 years left towards his pension. Veteran, too.
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wrote on 13 Apr 2025, 13:22 last edited by Mik
This is exactly the kind of thing that makes me term the execution lazy and callous. I have no issue with reducing federal employment, but it needs to be done with at least a modicum of consideration for long term employees.
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wrote on 13 Apr 2025, 14:04 last edited by jon-nyc
Matt Yglesias makes a relevant point:
People have to understand that they are bringing the same level of care and attention they brought to “Liberation Day” to many other subjects that don’t have the same short-term financial market feedback.
Easier to ignore, but for precisely that reason even more harmful.
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wrote on 14 Apr 2025, 14:26 last edited by
but there will be blood so it's ok
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This is exactly the kind of thing that makes me term the execution lazy and callous. I have no issue with reducing federal employment, but it needs to be done with at least a modicum of consideration for long term employees.
wrote on 14 Apr 2025, 14:29 last edited by@Mik said in This is not right:
This is exactly the kind of thing that makes me term the execution lazy and callous. I have no issue with reducing federal employment, but it needs to be done with at least a modicum of consideration for long term employees.
I must amend this. There needs to be consideration for all employees. They're not enemies of the state but have been made to seem as though they're all greedy slackers.
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wrote on 14 Apr 2025, 14:33 last edited by Doctor Phibes
A work-friend of mine who had been with The Bureau of Mines and NIOSH since 1989 just got told the entire team was being let go. I visited them in Pittsburgh about 10 years ago, and it was a pretty impressive place doing research into mine safety. Rumour has it they're letting about 90% of the people go.
Obviously, industrial safety and the Trump administration don't exactly go together like ham and eggs, but still.....
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wrote on 14 Apr 2025, 14:52 last edited by
There's a large NIOSH facility here as well and I know folks who stand to be let go. One wonders how much more research needs to be done for industrial safety, and how much they are monitoring. I don't think it necessarily follows that the administration is against safety.
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There's a large NIOSH facility here as well and I know folks who stand to be let go. One wonders how much more research needs to be done for industrial safety, and how much they are monitoring. I don't think it necessarily follows that the administration is against safety.
wrote on 14 Apr 2025, 14:55 last edited by Doctor Phibes@Mik said in This is not right:
There's a large NIOSH facility here as well and I know folks who stand to be let go. One wonders how much more research needs to be done for industrial safety, and how much they are monitoring. I don't think it necessarily follows that the administration is against safety.
Yeah, admittedly it's a mature subject, but technology is moving very quickly. The guy I know was looking into the use of battery technology in mining (explosive atmospheres), which is a pretty fast-moving subject at the moment. It's also part of what I do, but in non-mining applications.
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@Mik said in This is not right:
There's a large NIOSH facility here as well and I know folks who stand to be let go. One wonders how much more research needs to be done for industrial safety, and how much they are monitoring. I don't think it necessarily follows that the administration is against safety.
Yeah, admittedly it's a mature subject, but technology is moving very quickly. The guy I know was looking into the use of battery technology in mining (explosive atmospheres), which is a pretty fast-moving subject at the moment. It's also part of what I do, but in non-mining applications.
wrote on 14 Apr 2025, 18:08 last edited by@Doctor-Phibes said in This is not right:
... the use of battery technology in mining (explosive atmospheres), which is a pretty fast-moving subject at the moment.
Exactly my thoughts as well. I once toured the inside of an underground coal mine and got to see (and listen to the engineers talk about) modern technologies and their applications in that sort of environment. It really is a very dangerous place -- lots of heavy machinery and electrical equipment in an environment where a spark can easily lead to explosions and collapse. There definitely is more that can and should be done to improve mine safety.
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wrote on 14 Apr 2025, 18:29 last edited by
@89th said in This is not right:
but there will be blood so it's ok
You're right.
There is no way to do this where you won't hurt somebody.
IP closed the Campti Papermill last week. It gave the whole town a dry screwing. There are people who will be wiped out financially.
IP does this so often they're known for it. Buy an older, yet profitable mill, do the minimum it takes to keep it running and milk every dime out of it until they have to shut it down for lack of maintenance and systems replacement.
And nobody cried for those people. It's just business...
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@89th said in This is not right:
but there will be blood so it's ok
You're right.
There is no way to do this where you won't hurt somebody.
IP closed the Campti Papermill last week. It gave the whole town a dry screwing. There are people who will be wiped out financially.
IP does this so often they're known for it. Buy an older, yet profitable mill, do the minimum it takes to keep it running and milk every dime out of it until they have to shut it down for lack of maintenance and systems replacement.
And nobody cried for those people. It's just business...
wrote on 14 Apr 2025, 19:10 last edited by@Jolly said in This is not right:
And nobody cried for those people. It's just business.
I don't agree with that. It's vulture capitalism, not just business.
Obviously, it happens all the time, but that doesn't mean its ok.
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wrote on 14 Apr 2025, 19:56 last edited by
Anyone working in a papermill has seen the slow decline of a dying business for decades. That's in no way comparable to the government mayhem going on.
As I said, I have no issue with reducing the federal workforce but it doesn't have to be done in a capricious and unnecessarily harmful way.
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Anyone working in a papermill has seen the slow decline of a dying business for decades. That's in no way comparable to the government mayhem going on.
As I said, I have no issue with reducing the federal workforce but it doesn't have to be done in a capricious and unnecessarily harmful way.
wrote on 14 Apr 2025, 21:17 last edited by@Mik said in This is not right:
As I said, I have no issue with reducing the federal workforce but it doesn't have to be done in a capricious and unnecessarily harmful way.
I've said this before more than once, but I find the fact that Elon Musk appears very much to enjoy doing this to people really distasteful.