Skip to content
  • Categories
  • Recent
  • Tags
  • Popular
  • Users
  • Groups
Skins
  • Light
  • Cerulean
  • Cosmo
  • Flatly
  • Journal
  • Litera
  • Lumen
  • Lux
  • Materia
  • Minty
  • Morph
  • Pulse
  • Sandstone
  • Simplex
  • Sketchy
  • Spacelab
  • United
  • Yeti
  • Zephyr
  • Dark
  • Cyborg
  • Darkly
  • Quartz
  • Slate
  • Solar
  • Superhero
  • Vapor

  • Default (No Skin)
  • No Skin
Collapse

The New Coffee Room

  1. TNCR
  2. General Discussion
  3. This is not right

This is not right

Scheduled Pinned Locked Moved General Discussion
14 Posts 6 Posters 187 Views
  • Oldest to Newest
  • Newest to Oldest
  • Most Votes
Reply
  • Reply as topic
Log in to reply
This topic has been deleted. Only users with topic management privileges can see it.
  • MikM Away
    MikM Away
    Mik
    wrote on last edited by Mik
    #3

    This is exactly the kind of thing that makes me term the execution lazy and callous. I have no issue with reducing federal employment, but it needs to be done with at least a modicum of consideration for long term employees.

    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

    MikM 1 Reply Last reply
    • jon-nycJ Online
      jon-nycJ Online
      jon-nyc
      wrote on last edited by jon-nyc
      #4

      Matt Yglesias makes a relevant point:

      People have to understand that they are bringing the same level of care and attention they brought to “Liberation Day” to many other subjects that don’t have the same short-term financial market feedback.

      Easier to ignore, but for precisely that reason even more harmful.

      Only non-witches get due process.

      • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
      1 Reply Last reply
      • 89th8 Offline
        89th8 Offline
        89th
        wrote on last edited by
        #5

        but there will be blood so it's ok

        JollyJ 1 Reply Last reply
        • MikM Mik

          This is exactly the kind of thing that makes me term the execution lazy and callous. I have no issue with reducing federal employment, but it needs to be done with at least a modicum of consideration for long term employees.

          MikM Away
          MikM Away
          Mik
          wrote on last edited by
          #6

          @Mik said in This is not right:

          This is exactly the kind of thing that makes me term the execution lazy and callous. I have no issue with reducing federal employment, but it needs to be done with at least a modicum of consideration for long term employees.

          I must amend this. There needs to be consideration for all employees. They're not enemies of the state but have been made to seem as though they're all greedy slackers.

          “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

          1 Reply Last reply
          • Doctor PhibesD Offline
            Doctor PhibesD Offline
            Doctor Phibes
            wrote on last edited by Doctor Phibes
            #7

            A work-friend of mine who had been with The Bureau of Mines and NIOSH since 1989 just got told the entire team was being let go. I visited them in Pittsburgh about 10 years ago, and it was a pretty impressive place doing research into mine safety. Rumour has it they're letting about 90% of the people go.

            Obviously, industrial safety and the Trump administration don't exactly go together like ham and eggs, but still.....

            I was only joking

            1 Reply Last reply
            • MikM Away
              MikM Away
              Mik
              wrote on last edited by
              #8

              There's a large NIOSH facility here as well and I know folks who stand to be let go. One wonders how much more research needs to be done for industrial safety, and how much they are monitoring. I don't think it necessarily follows that the administration is against safety.

              “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

              Doctor PhibesD 1 Reply Last reply
              • MikM Mik

                There's a large NIOSH facility here as well and I know folks who stand to be let go. One wonders how much more research needs to be done for industrial safety, and how much they are monitoring. I don't think it necessarily follows that the administration is against safety.

                Doctor PhibesD Offline
                Doctor PhibesD Offline
                Doctor Phibes
                wrote on last edited by Doctor Phibes
                #9

                @Mik said in This is not right:

                There's a large NIOSH facility here as well and I know folks who stand to be let go. One wonders how much more research needs to be done for industrial safety, and how much they are monitoring. I don't think it necessarily follows that the administration is against safety.

                Yeah, admittedly it's a mature subject, but technology is moving very quickly. The guy I know was looking into the use of battery technology in mining (explosive atmospheres), which is a pretty fast-moving subject at the moment. It's also part of what I do, but in non-mining applications.

                I was only joking

                AxtremusA 1 Reply Last reply
                • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                  @Mik said in This is not right:

                  There's a large NIOSH facility here as well and I know folks who stand to be let go. One wonders how much more research needs to be done for industrial safety, and how much they are monitoring. I don't think it necessarily follows that the administration is against safety.

                  Yeah, admittedly it's a mature subject, but technology is moving very quickly. The guy I know was looking into the use of battery technology in mining (explosive atmospheres), which is a pretty fast-moving subject at the moment. It's also part of what I do, but in non-mining applications.

                  AxtremusA Offline
                  AxtremusA Offline
                  Axtremus
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #10

                  @Doctor-Phibes said in This is not right:

                  ... the use of battery technology in mining (explosive atmospheres), which is a pretty fast-moving subject at the moment.

                  Exactly my thoughts as well. I once toured the inside of an underground coal mine and got to see (and listen to the engineers talk about) modern technologies and their applications in that sort of environment. It really is a very dangerous place -- lots of heavy machinery and electrical equipment in an environment where a spark can easily lead to explosions and collapse. There definitely is more that can and should be done to improve mine safety.

                  1 Reply Last reply
                  • 89th8 89th

                    but there will be blood so it's ok

                    JollyJ Offline
                    JollyJ Offline
                    Jolly
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #11

                    @89th said in This is not right:

                    but there will be blood so it's ok

                    You're right.

                    There is no way to do this where you won't hurt somebody.

                    IP closed the Campti Papermill last week. It gave the whole town a dry screwing. There are people who will be wiped out financially.

                    IP does this so often they're known for it. Buy an older, yet profitable mill, do the minimum it takes to keep it running and milk every dime out of it until they have to shut it down for lack of maintenance and systems replacement.

                    And nobody cried for those people. It's just business...

                    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

                    Doctor PhibesD 1 Reply Last reply
                    • JollyJ Jolly

                      @89th said in This is not right:

                      but there will be blood so it's ok

                      You're right.

                      There is no way to do this where you won't hurt somebody.

                      IP closed the Campti Papermill last week. It gave the whole town a dry screwing. There are people who will be wiped out financially.

                      IP does this so often they're known for it. Buy an older, yet profitable mill, do the minimum it takes to keep it running and milk every dime out of it until they have to shut it down for lack of maintenance and systems replacement.

                      And nobody cried for those people. It's just business...

                      Doctor PhibesD Offline
                      Doctor PhibesD Offline
                      Doctor Phibes
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #12

                      @Jolly said in This is not right:

                      And nobody cried for those people. It's just business.

                      I don't agree with that. It's vulture capitalism, not just business.

                      Obviously, it happens all the time, but that doesn't mean its ok.

                      I was only joking

                      1 Reply Last reply
                      • MikM Away
                        MikM Away
                        Mik
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #13

                        Anyone working in a papermill has seen the slow decline of a dying business for decades. That's in no way comparable to the government mayhem going on.

                        As I said, I have no issue with reducing the federal workforce but it doesn't have to be done in a capricious and unnecessarily harmful way.

                        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

                        Doctor PhibesD 1 Reply Last reply
                        • MikM Mik

                          Anyone working in a papermill has seen the slow decline of a dying business for decades. That's in no way comparable to the government mayhem going on.

                          As I said, I have no issue with reducing the federal workforce but it doesn't have to be done in a capricious and unnecessarily harmful way.

                          Doctor PhibesD Offline
                          Doctor PhibesD Offline
                          Doctor Phibes
                          wrote on last edited by
                          #14

                          @Mik said in This is not right:

                          As I said, I have no issue with reducing the federal workforce but it doesn't have to be done in a capricious and unnecessarily harmful way.

                          I've said this before more than once, but I find the fact that Elon Musk appears very much to enjoy doing this to people really distasteful.

                          I was only joking

                          1 Reply Last reply
                          Reply
                          • Reply as topic
                          Log in to reply
                          • Oldest to Newest
                          • Newest to Oldest
                          • Most Votes


                          • Login

                          • Don't have an account? Register

                          • Login or register to search.
                          • First post
                            Last post
                          0
                          • Categories
                          • Recent
                          • Tags
                          • Popular
                          • Users
                          • Groups