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  • MikM Offline
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    https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/other/rfk-jr-by-september-we-will-know-what-has-caused-the-autism-epidemic/ar-AA1CHA2d

    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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      I've always been partial to the explanation that it was not often diagnosed in years past, even if it existed.

      Education is extremely important.

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        I think that's true of a lot of things, not the least ADHD.

        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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          By September we will know what has caused the autism epidemic

          Impressive. I can't even commit to having the bedroom painted by then.

          I was only joking

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          • HoraceH Horace

            I've always been partial to the explanation that it was not often diagnosed in years past, even if it existed.

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            @Horace

            I have little doubt that it existed in past, but it was not diagnosed much beyond its extremes of congenital imbecility or, in the case of high functioning autism, eccentricity bordering on madness.

            Elbows up!

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            • MikM Mik

              I think that's true of a lot of things, not the least ADHD.

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              @Mik said in RFK - we will know what causes autism by September:

              I think that's true of a lot of things, not the least ADHD.

              As I said in another thread, Mrs. Phibes has some fairly convincing theories about me in that regard. Obviously, I was never tested, and I'm never going to be.

              I was only joking

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                Part of the problem is that the definition of autism has expanded widely in the last 30 years or so.

                “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                  Yep. When we were little there were ‘hyperactive’ boys in every classroom. Today they’d be given a diagnosis of ADHD and/or autism.

                  Only non-witches get due process.

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                  • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                    Yep. When we were little there were ‘hyperactive’ boys in every classroom. Today they’d be given a diagnosis of ADHD and/or autism.

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                    @jon-nyc

                    Yep. When we were little there were ‘hyperactive’ boys in every classroom.

                    Right, and almost all were labelled troublemakers or “rotters” in elementary and treated as such throughout their school years regardless of their behaviour as they grew older.

                    Elbows up!

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                    • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                      Yep. When we were little there were ‘hyperactive’ boys in every classroom. Today they’d be given a diagnosis of ADHD and/or autism.

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                      @jon-nyc said in RFK - we will know what causes autism by September:

                      Yep. When we were little there were ‘hyperactive’ boys in every classroom. Today they’d be given a diagnosis of ADHD and/or autism.

                      And drugs.

                      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                      • RenaudaR Renauda

                        @jon-nyc

                        Yep. When we were little there were ‘hyperactive’ boys in every classroom.

                        Right, and almost all were labelled troublemakers or “rotters” in elementary and treated as such throughout their school years regardless of their behaviour as they grew older.

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                        @Renauda said in RFK - we will know what causes autism by September:

                        @jon-nyc

                        Yep. When we were little there were ‘hyperactive’ boys in every classroom.

                        Right, and almost all were labelled troublemakers or “rotters” in elementary and treated as such throughout their school years regardless of their behaviour as they grew older.

                        My SIL and husband, both PHDs, were looking for reasons their son was failing in college. She was volunteering for an ADHD/Autism organization of some sort and so got him tested. Lo and behold they think he has mild Aspergers. They labeled him as such and told him. Despite being quite bright, he has been very low achieving ever since, believing that he is limited by that label. I find it sad.

                        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                        • MikM Mik

                          @Renauda said in RFK - we will know what causes autism by September:

                          @jon-nyc

                          Yep. When we were little there were ‘hyperactive’ boys in every classroom.

                          Right, and almost all were labelled troublemakers or “rotters” in elementary and treated as such throughout their school years regardless of their behaviour as they grew older.

                          My SIL and husband, both PHDs, were looking for reasons their son was failing in college. She was volunteering for an ADHD/Autism organization of some sort and so got him tested. Lo and behold they think he has mild Aspergers. They labeled him as such and told him. Despite being quite bright, he has been very low achieving ever since, believing that he is limited by that label. I find it sad.

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                          @Mik said in RFK - we will know what causes autism by September:

                          @Renauda said in RFK - we will know what causes autism by September:

                          @jon-nyc

                          Yep. When we were little there were ‘hyperactive’ boys in every classroom.

                          Right, and almost all were labelled troublemakers or “rotters” in elementary and treated as such throughout their school years regardless of their behaviour as they grew older.

                          My SIL and husband, both PHDs, were looking for reasons their son was failing in college. She was volunteering for an ADHD/Autism organization of some sort and so got him tested. Lo and behold they think he has mild Aspergers. They labeled him as such and told him. Despite being quite bright, he has been very low achieving ever since, believing that he is limited by that label. I find it sad.

                          It is very sad, and presumably happens a lot.

                          We've also seen the opposite happen. A relative really struggled with getting exhausted in elementary school despite clearly being bright, but since being diagnosed as ADHD and given a very low dose of medication has done very well throughout middle and high school.

                          I was only joking

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                            @Mik said in RFK - we will know what causes autism by September:

                            @Renauda said in RFK - we will know what causes autism by September:

                            @jon-nyc

                            Yep. When we were little there were ‘hyperactive’ boys in every classroom.

                            Right, and almost all were labelled troublemakers or “rotters” in elementary and treated as such throughout their school years regardless of their behaviour as they grew older.

                            My SIL and husband, both PHDs, were looking for reasons their son was failing in college. She was volunteering for an ADHD/Autism organization of some sort and so got him tested. Lo and behold they think he has mild Aspergers. They labeled him as such and told him. Despite being quite bright, he has been very low achieving ever since, believing that he is limited by that label. I find it sad.

                            It is very sad, and presumably happens a lot.

                            We've also seen the opposite happen. A relative really struggled with getting exhausted in elementary school despite clearly being bright, but since being diagnosed as ADHD and given a very low dose of medication has done very well throughout middle and high school.

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                            @Doctor-Phibes

                            Do you know what medication it was? Guanfacine?

                            Elbows up!

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                              The parochial school two of my grandkids go to, has a lower rate of ADHD than the public schools around them.

                              It might be they start out with a higher quality student. Or it might be the kids have three recesses per day, and physical activities are highly encouraged.

                              “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                              Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                              • RenaudaR Renauda

                                @Doctor-Phibes

                                Do you know what medication it was? Guanfacine?

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                                @Renauda said in RFK - we will know what causes autism by September:

                                @Doctor-Phibes

                                Do you know what medication it was? Guanafacine?

                                I think initially it was methylphenidate. Subsequently they tried a couple of other similar treatments. Some clearly worked better than others.

                                I was initially highly skeptical about both the diagnosis and the medication, but when he first got the medication the improvement was almost immediate and overwhelmingly positive. There were none of the adverse affects I'd heard about.

                                I was only joking

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                                  For some people a label can be a crutch, for others knowing/having a label (and help) for why they feel /act different than a lot of their peers can be immensely helpful.

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                                  • jodiJ jodi

                                    For some people a label can be a crutch, for others knowing/having a label (and help) for why they feel /act different than a lot of their peers can be immensely helpful.

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                                    @jodi said in RFK - we will know what causes autism by September:

                                    For some people a label can be a crutch, for others knowing/having a label (and help) for why they feel /act different than a lot of their peers can be immensely helpful.

                                    Somewhat related - when they diagnosed my mother with dementia I kind of wish they hadn't told her. We'd all seen it developing and she knew something wasn't right, but once it was official she thought about nothing else.

                                    I was only joking

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                                      I think it's a combo of expansion of the spectrum, much higher rates of testing, and obesity.

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                                      • MikM Mik

                                        @Renauda said in RFK - we will know what causes autism by September:

                                        @jon-nyc

                                        Yep. When we were little there were ‘hyperactive’ boys in every classroom.

                                        Right, and almost all were labelled troublemakers or “rotters” in elementary and treated as such throughout their school years regardless of their behaviour as they grew older.

                                        My SIL and husband, both PHDs, were looking for reasons their son was failing in college. She was volunteering for an ADHD/Autism organization of some sort and so got him tested. Lo and behold they think he has mild Aspergers. They labeled him as such and told him. Despite being quite bright, he has been very low achieving ever since, believing that he is limited by that label. I find it sad.

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                                        @Mik said in RFK - we will know what causes autism by September:

                                        My SIL and husband, both PHDs, were looking for reasons their son was failing in college. She was volunteering for an ADHD/Autism organization of some sort and so got him tested. Lo and behold they think he has mild Aspergers. They labeled him as such and told him. Despite being quite bright, he has been very low achieving ever since, believing that he is limited by that label. I find it sad.

                                        Has the young man been failing college before being labeled? It's seems a bit inconsistent to say that he's been "failing college" and also "being quite bright," unless you're saying he's just "not book smart." 🤷

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                                          Hilarious

                                          Only non-witches get due process.

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