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  • jon-nycJ Online
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    Yep. When we were little there were ‘hyperactive’ boys in every classroom. Today they’d be given a diagnosis of ADHD and/or autism.

    Only non-witches get due process.

    • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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    • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

      Yep. When we were little there were ‘hyperactive’ boys in every classroom. Today they’d be given a diagnosis of ADHD and/or autism.

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      @jon-nyc

      Yep. When we were little there were ‘hyperactive’ boys in every classroom.

      Right, and almost all were labelled troublemakers or “rotters” in elementary and treated as such throughout their school years regardless of their behaviour as they grew older.

      Elbows up!

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        Yep. When we were little there were ‘hyperactive’ boys in every classroom. Today they’d be given a diagnosis of ADHD and/or autism.

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        @jon-nyc said in RFK - we will know what causes autism by September:

        Yep. When we were little there were ‘hyperactive’ boys in every classroom. Today they’d be given a diagnosis of ADHD and/or autism.

        And drugs.

        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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          @jon-nyc

          Yep. When we were little there were ‘hyperactive’ boys in every classroom.

          Right, and almost all were labelled troublemakers or “rotters” in elementary and treated as such throughout their school years regardless of their behaviour as they grew older.

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          @Renauda said in RFK - we will know what causes autism by September:

          @jon-nyc

          Yep. When we were little there were ‘hyperactive’ boys in every classroom.

          Right, and almost all were labelled troublemakers or “rotters” in elementary and treated as such throughout their school years regardless of their behaviour as they grew older.

          My SIL and husband, both PHDs, were looking for reasons their son was failing in college. She was volunteering for an ADHD/Autism organization of some sort and so got him tested. Lo and behold they think he has mild Aspergers. They labeled him as such and told him. Despite being quite bright, he has been very low achieving ever since, believing that he is limited by that label. I find it sad.

          “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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          • MikM Mik

            @Renauda said in RFK - we will know what causes autism by September:

            @jon-nyc

            Yep. When we were little there were ‘hyperactive’ boys in every classroom.

            Right, and almost all were labelled troublemakers or “rotters” in elementary and treated as such throughout their school years regardless of their behaviour as they grew older.

            My SIL and husband, both PHDs, were looking for reasons their son was failing in college. She was volunteering for an ADHD/Autism organization of some sort and so got him tested. Lo and behold they think he has mild Aspergers. They labeled him as such and told him. Despite being quite bright, he has been very low achieving ever since, believing that he is limited by that label. I find it sad.

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            @Mik said in RFK - we will know what causes autism by September:

            @Renauda said in RFK - we will know what causes autism by September:

            @jon-nyc

            Yep. When we were little there were ‘hyperactive’ boys in every classroom.

            Right, and almost all were labelled troublemakers or “rotters” in elementary and treated as such throughout their school years regardless of their behaviour as they grew older.

            My SIL and husband, both PHDs, were looking for reasons their son was failing in college. She was volunteering for an ADHD/Autism organization of some sort and so got him tested. Lo and behold they think he has mild Aspergers. They labeled him as such and told him. Despite being quite bright, he has been very low achieving ever since, believing that he is limited by that label. I find it sad.

            It is very sad, and presumably happens a lot.

            We've also seen the opposite happen. A relative really struggled with getting exhausted in elementary school despite clearly being bright, but since being diagnosed as ADHD and given a very low dose of medication has done very well throughout middle and high school.

            I was only joking

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              @Mik said in RFK - we will know what causes autism by September:

              @Renauda said in RFK - we will know what causes autism by September:

              @jon-nyc

              Yep. When we were little there were ‘hyperactive’ boys in every classroom.

              Right, and almost all were labelled troublemakers or “rotters” in elementary and treated as such throughout their school years regardless of their behaviour as they grew older.

              My SIL and husband, both PHDs, were looking for reasons their son was failing in college. She was volunteering for an ADHD/Autism organization of some sort and so got him tested. Lo and behold they think he has mild Aspergers. They labeled him as such and told him. Despite being quite bright, he has been very low achieving ever since, believing that he is limited by that label. I find it sad.

              It is very sad, and presumably happens a lot.

              We've also seen the opposite happen. A relative really struggled with getting exhausted in elementary school despite clearly being bright, but since being diagnosed as ADHD and given a very low dose of medication has done very well throughout middle and high school.

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              @Doctor-Phibes

              Do you know what medication it was? Guanfacine?

              Elbows up!

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                The parochial school two of my grandkids go to, has a lower rate of ADHD than the public schools around them.

                It might be they start out with a higher quality student. Or it might be the kids have three recesses per day, and physical activities are highly encouraged.

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                Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                  @Doctor-Phibes

                  Do you know what medication it was? Guanfacine?

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                  @Renauda said in RFK - we will know what causes autism by September:

                  @Doctor-Phibes

                  Do you know what medication it was? Guanafacine?

                  I think initially it was methylphenidate. Subsequently they tried a couple of other similar treatments. Some clearly worked better than others.

                  I was initially highly skeptical about both the diagnosis and the medication, but when he first got the medication the improvement was almost immediate and overwhelmingly positive. There were none of the adverse affects I'd heard about.

                  I was only joking

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                    For some people a label can be a crutch, for others knowing/having a label (and help) for why they feel /act different than a lot of their peers can be immensely helpful.

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                      For some people a label can be a crutch, for others knowing/having a label (and help) for why they feel /act different than a lot of their peers can be immensely helpful.

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                      @jodi said in RFK - we will know what causes autism by September:

                      For some people a label can be a crutch, for others knowing/having a label (and help) for why they feel /act different than a lot of their peers can be immensely helpful.

                      Somewhat related - when they diagnosed my mother with dementia I kind of wish they hadn't told her. We'd all seen it developing and she knew something wasn't right, but once it was official she thought about nothing else.

                      I was only joking

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                        I think it's a combo of expansion of the spectrum, much higher rates of testing, and obesity.

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                        • MikM Mik

                          @Renauda said in RFK - we will know what causes autism by September:

                          @jon-nyc

                          Yep. When we were little there were ‘hyperactive’ boys in every classroom.

                          Right, and almost all were labelled troublemakers or “rotters” in elementary and treated as such throughout their school years regardless of their behaviour as they grew older.

                          My SIL and husband, both PHDs, were looking for reasons their son was failing in college. She was volunteering for an ADHD/Autism organization of some sort and so got him tested. Lo and behold they think he has mild Aspergers. They labeled him as such and told him. Despite being quite bright, he has been very low achieving ever since, believing that he is limited by that label. I find it sad.

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                          @Mik said in RFK - we will know what causes autism by September:

                          My SIL and husband, both PHDs, were looking for reasons their son was failing in college. She was volunteering for an ADHD/Autism organization of some sort and so got him tested. Lo and behold they think he has mild Aspergers. They labeled him as such and told him. Despite being quite bright, he has been very low achieving ever since, believing that he is limited by that label. I find it sad.

                          Has the young man been failing college before being labeled? It's seems a bit inconsistent to say that he's been "failing college" and also "being quite bright," unless you're saying he's just "not book smart." 🤷

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                            Hilarious

                            Only non-witches get due process.

                            • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                              He seriously said that as a kid he'd never heard of rheumatoid arthritis?

                              As a kid he was taking and dealing cocaine and heroin. And he's worried about fluoride in the water.

                              I was only joking

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                                I hope we don’t have to wait too long before he addresses chemtrails.

                                Only non-witches get due process.

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