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China cannot win the trade war with the US

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  • A AndyD
    8 Apr 2025, 16:59

    I have little doubt that the Chinese economy will be able to absorb any tariffs, the communist government will take remedial actions.

    Trump(CF) meanwhile will simply repeat to the free world "Bear with"

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    Jolly
    wrote on 9 Apr 2025, 15:42 last edited by
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    @AndyD said in China cannot win the trade war with the US:

    I have little doubt that the Chinese economy will be able to absorb any tariffs, the communist government will take remedial actions.

    Trump(CF) meanwhile will simply repeat to the free world "Bear with"

    Ok, how will they absorb them and what effect will that have?

    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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      Axtremus
      wrote on 9 Apr 2025, 16:42 last edited by
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      https://www.nytimes.com/2025/04/09/business/trump-tariffs-china-factories.html

      In a Storm of Tariffs, Many Companies See China as the Safest Harbor

      The heavy U.S. tariffs on other Asian countries have made China a more appealing option for companies scared to make a hasty decision amid upheaval in global trade.

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        AndyD
        wrote on 10 Apr 2025, 11:33 last edited by AndyD 4 Oct 2025, 12:10
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        @Jolly

        After the monumental backdown of Trump(CF) I'm not even sure if your questions are relevant. He'll negotiate with China in some way.

        But China can just sell their stuff cheaper to other countries (predicted for the UK soon) and source imports from places other than US.

        China may struggle, but it has a huge domestic market, the communist regime will rubber stamp anything, and the people will bear-with. Long term:

        https://www.independent.co.uk/asia/china/china-trump-tariffs-threat-response-b2729350.html

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          Jolly
          wrote on 10 Apr 2025, 12:24 last edited by
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          I think you need to read some of TG's posts on the Chinese economy.

          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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            xenon
            wrote on 10 Apr 2025, 14:34 last edited by
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            Xi can say that an external aggressor is forcing the pain on them. I can see them getting down to rationing electricity.

            We’ll sharpen the pitch forks if a Big Mac goes up a few bucks.

            I agree China will feel more pain, the question is about pain tolerance.

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              jon-nyc
              wrote on 10 Apr 2025, 18:26 last edited by
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              Ferguson on the topic, from the Honestly podcast:

              “So I think here I disagree with some analysts. I think China has the upper hand in a game of mutually assured economic or financial destruction because we know from the events of 2020 that the Chinese can impose significant economic pain on their population and maintain complete social control. That is not the case for any elected president or congressman.”

              Only non-witches get due process.

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                Mik
                wrote on 10 Apr 2025, 18:27 last edited by
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                We’ve already seen that this week.

                “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                  Horace
                  wrote on 10 Apr 2025, 18:47 last edited by
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                  Yep. China can win a war of pain tolerance.

                  Education is extremely important.

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                    Doctor Phibes
                    wrote on 10 Apr 2025, 18:54 last edited by
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                    It's an old saw that nobody wins a trade war.

                    Obviously the increasingly stable genius believes otherwise. However, does anybody honestly believe that he's negotiating in good faith? The worst thing you can do in any negotiation is to lose people's trust - not the trust of your adversaries, but the trust of people who until very recently were allies.

                    I was only joking

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                      Axtremus
                      wrote on 11 Apr 2025, 10:38 last edited by
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                      https://nypost.com/2025/04/10/us-news/trump-tariffs-on-china-will-actually-be-145-for-some-imports-white-house-clarifies/?lctg=64c6a1ef98e05a7c3b004bca

                      Tariffs on Chinese imports now at 145%.
                      China's tariffs on U.S. imports to reach 125%.

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                        jon-nyc
                        wrote on 11 Apr 2025, 10:51 last edited by
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                        The mar-al-lago virus is worse than the wuhan virus.

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                        Only non-witches get due process.

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                          89th
                          wrote on 11 Apr 2025, 11:56 last edited by
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                          We need a better brand for this. TRUMPVID-25?

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                            jon-nyc
                            wrote on 11 Apr 2025, 13:54 last edited by
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                            Only non-witches get due process.

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                              11 Apr 2025, 13:54

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                              taiwan_girl
                              wrote on 11 Apr 2025, 18:32 last edited by
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                              @jon-nyc said in China cannot win the trade war with the US:

                              Unfortunately, the wrong approach if the words above are correct.

                              Better would be "both US and China agreeto discuss path forward that is beneficial for both countries."

                              Telling China to be the one to request a call will backfire.

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                                jon-nyc
                                wrote on 11 Apr 2025, 18:53 last edited by
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                                It did. He got crickets and another 41% tariff in return.

                                Only non-witches get due process.

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                                • J jon-nyc
                                  11 Apr 2025, 18:53

                                  It did. He got crickets and another 41% tariff in return.

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                                  Mik
                                  wrote on 11 Apr 2025, 18:55 last edited by
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                                  @jon-nyc said in China cannot win the trade war with the US:

                                  It did. He got crickets and another 41% tariff in return.

                                  Indeed. Again, their lack of skill at implementing most everything and the communication thereof is just killing them.

                                  “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                  • M Mik
                                    11 Apr 2025, 18:55

                                    @jon-nyc said in China cannot win the trade war with the US:

                                    It did. He got crickets and another 41% tariff in return.

                                    Indeed. Again, their lack of skill at implementing most everything and the communication thereof is just killing them.

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                                    Renauda
                                    wrote on 11 Apr 2025, 20:49 last edited by
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                                    @Mik said in China cannot win the trade war with the US:

                                    @jon-nyc said in China cannot win the trade war with the US:

                                    It did. He got crickets and another 41% tariff in return.

                                    Indeed. Again, their lack of skill at implementing most everything and the communication thereof is just killing them.

                                    The problem is that there is no communication. It’s quite something other. It goes hand in hand with hubris.

                                    Elbows up!

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                                      AndyD
                                      wrote on 12 Apr 2025, 04:19 last edited by
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                                      The relationship between America and China has been damaged, as seen by China's polite oral response and not raising tariffs after the latest ridiculous US rise.

                                      They're not like the Japanese (bow properly and be prepared to learn from anyone).

                                      It all about humility and friendships and face. Once offended it's difficult to go back. Xi must have spent millions wiping his nicknames off the Internet. Now he's visiting Spain, Malaysia, Cambodia Vietnam. Pretty obvious why.

                                      Trump(CF) needs a couple of people who really understand the Chinese to advise.
                                      Don't ask me though, I've only been married to one for 33 years.

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                                        Jolly
                                        wrote on 12 Apr 2025, 13:25 last edited by
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                                        One guy is in...

                                        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                          AndyD
                                          wrote on 12 Apr 2025, 16:19 last edited by
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                                          🙄
                                          Oh the humility and understanding.
                                          He must think he is the most perfect person to deal with the Chinese, and like Trump(CF), the most humble & diplomatic deal maker in any room.

                                          He may well be right about the Chinese government and its methods of course.

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