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  • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

    I am still trying to figure out what (and why) this is a story. No, I have not hear what President Trump said today.

    From the article you linked and the sub link within that article:

    Why it matters: Other presidents have used an autopen to grant pardons, and experts have expressed doubt that courts would allow a president to revoke clemency granted by their predecessors.

    and

    A 2005 memorandum opinion from Justice Department's Office of Legal Counsel during President George W. Bush's administration said that the president may sign a bill by directing a subordinate to "affix the President's signature to it."

    "We emphasize that we are not suggesting that the President may delegate the decision to approve and sign a bill, only that, having made this decision, he may direct a subordinate to affix the President's signature to the bill," the opinion stated.

    Jeffrey Crouch, an American University professor and expert in federal executive clemency, noted that "other presidents have used autopen to grant pardons."

    Lastly, where in the US constitution does it even say that pardons must be signed by the president?

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    @taiwan_girl said in More Autopen:

    I am still trying to figure out what (and why) this is a story.

    It is not a story not because the Autopen was used.

    It is a story because it was used without Mr. Biden's knowledge.

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      Biden's handlers have a lot to answer for. Sure is lucky for them that nobody knows exactly who they were.

      Education is extremely important.

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        Where's the evidence it was used without his knowledge or approval? I must admit I've not given this any attention. I prefer looking forward.

        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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        • MikM Mik

          Where's the evidence it was used without his knowledge or approval? I must admit I've not given this any attention. I prefer looking forward.

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          #10

          @Mik said in More Autopen:

          Where's the evidence

          That will never be found, Mr. Biden will simply say he had knowledge of its use, end of story.

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            So in other words this is just more partisan smoke.

            “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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              Yeah it's another "people have told me" Trump lie. Evidence would be great!

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                Personally, I'd feel happier knowing that Andrew Tate was rescued from house arrest without the knowledge of the President of the United States, rather than having the suspicion that he escaped due to a deliberate Presidential decision.

                I was only joking

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                • MikM Mik

                  So in other words this is just more partisan smoke.

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                  @Mik said in More Autopen:

                  So in other words this is just more partisan smoke.

                  Yeah, if it's Democrat partisans.

                  Trump said in his presser today, that they've found multiple things at or connected to Biden's Presidency, that they think he did not read or did not personally sign.

                  Trump went on to say he did not blame Biden, because he is convinced Biden was not aware of what he was doing.

                  I like looking forward, too, but having a President with dementia and a cover-up to hide that fact is something that should not happen. In the past or in the future.

                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                    Agreed. Bring the evidence.

                    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                    • JollyJ Jolly

                      @Mik said in More Autopen:

                      So in other words this is just more partisan smoke.

                      Yeah, if it's Democrat partisans.

                      Trump said in his presser today, that they've found multiple things at or connected to Biden's Presidency, that they think he did not read or did not personally sign.

                      Trump went on to say he did not blame Biden, because he is convinced Biden was not aware of what he was doing.

                      I like looking forward, too, but having a President with dementia and a cover-up to hide that fact is something that should not happen. In the past or in the future.

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                      @Jolly said in More Autopen:

                      Trump said in his presser today, that they've found multiple things at or connected to Biden's Presidency, that they think he did not read

                      I’d bet no President has read an entire appropriations bill in the last 100 years.

                      Only non-witches get due process.

                      • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                        The 2017 tax bill was 503 pages. Zero chance Trump read it. Literally none whatsoever.

                        Only non-witches get due process.

                        • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                        • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                          The 2017 tax bill was 503 pages. Zero chance Trump read it. Literally none whatsoever.

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                          @jon-nyc said in More Autopen:

                          The 2017 tax bill was 503 pages. Zero chance Trump read it. Literally none whatsoever.

                          That's not the question, is it?

                          The questions are, was Mr. Biden deceived?

                          Did unauthorized people use the Autopen to pretend to be Mr. Biden?

                          I doubt we will ever know.

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                            This was never a question until Trump decided to throw out yet another chaos grenade without evidence. The USA should take over Gaza! Canada! Biden didn’t know what he signed! We’ve sent a jillion kazillion dollars to Ukraine! Loud noises!

                            Y’all need to stop falling for it and giving oxygen to his bafoonery!

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                              Psst...Trump didn't come with that first ...

                              “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                              Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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