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When I think back to the work that I did on the autopen that summer, it was all pretty anodyne stuff. There were wedding congratulations and birthday wishes, those kinds of salutations: nice messages that people might want to frame someday as a family heirloom. That’s why we signed them in Sharpie.
Is everything "signed" by President Trump actually signed by him?
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When I think back to the work that I did on the autopen that summer, it was all pretty anodyne stuff. There were wedding congratulations and birthday wishes, those kinds of salutations: nice messages that people might want to frame someday as a family heirloom. That’s why we signed them in Sharpie.
Is everything "signed" by President Trump actually signed by him?
wrote 8 days ago last edited by@taiwan_girl said in More Autopen:
When I think back to the work that I did on the autopen that summer, it was all pretty anodyne stuff. There were wedding congratulations and birthday wishes, those kinds of salutations: nice messages that people might want to frame someday as a family heirloom. That’s why we signed them in Sharpie.
Is everything "signed" by President Trump actually signed by him?
Probably not.
But that's not the story, is it? Heard what Trump said today?
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I am still trying to figure out what (and why) this is a story. No, I have not hear what President Trump said today.
From the article you linked and the sub link within that article:
Why it matters: Other presidents have used an autopen to grant pardons, and experts have expressed doubt that courts would allow a president to revoke clemency granted by their predecessors.
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A 2005 memorandum opinion from Justice Department's Office of Legal Counsel during President George W. Bush's administration said that the president may sign a bill by directing a subordinate to "affix the President's signature to it."
"We emphasize that we are not suggesting that the President may delegate the decision to approve and sign a bill, only that, having made this decision, he may direct a subordinate to affix the President's signature to the bill," the opinion stated.
Jeffrey Crouch, an American University professor and expert in federal executive clemency, noted that "other presidents have used autopen to grant pardons."
Lastly, where in the US constitution does it even say that pardons must be signed by the president?
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I looked. I couldn't find an unsigned Presidential pardon.
Have you?
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I am still trying to figure out what (and why) this is a story. No, I have not hear what President Trump said today.
From the article you linked and the sub link within that article:
Why it matters: Other presidents have used an autopen to grant pardons, and experts have expressed doubt that courts would allow a president to revoke clemency granted by their predecessors.
and
A 2005 memorandum opinion from Justice Department's Office of Legal Counsel during President George W. Bush's administration said that the president may sign a bill by directing a subordinate to "affix the President's signature to it."
"We emphasize that we are not suggesting that the President may delegate the decision to approve and sign a bill, only that, having made this decision, he may direct a subordinate to affix the President's signature to the bill," the opinion stated.
Jeffrey Crouch, an American University professor and expert in federal executive clemency, noted that "other presidents have used autopen to grant pardons."
Lastly, where in the US constitution does it even say that pardons must be signed by the president?
wrote 8 days ago last edited by@taiwan_girl Wouldn't waste more time on this. It's another daily Trumpetulance distraction
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I am still trying to figure out what (and why) this is a story. No, I have not hear what President Trump said today.
From the article you linked and the sub link within that article:
Why it matters: Other presidents have used an autopen to grant pardons, and experts have expressed doubt that courts would allow a president to revoke clemency granted by their predecessors.
and
A 2005 memorandum opinion from Justice Department's Office of Legal Counsel during President George W. Bush's administration said that the president may sign a bill by directing a subordinate to "affix the President's signature to it."
"We emphasize that we are not suggesting that the President may delegate the decision to approve and sign a bill, only that, having made this decision, he may direct a subordinate to affix the President's signature to the bill," the opinion stated.
Jeffrey Crouch, an American University professor and expert in federal executive clemency, noted that "other presidents have used autopen to grant pardons."
Lastly, where in the US constitution does it even say that pardons must be signed by the president?
wrote 8 days ago last edited by@taiwan_girl said in More Autopen:
I am still trying to figure out what (and why) this is a story.
It is not a story not because the Autopen was used.
It is a story because it was used without Mr. Biden's knowledge.
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Biden's handlers have a lot to answer for. Sure is lucky for them that nobody knows exactly who they were.
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Where's the evidence it was used without his knowledge or approval? I must admit I've not given this any attention. I prefer looking forward.
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Where's the evidence it was used without his knowledge or approval? I must admit I've not given this any attention. I prefer looking forward.
wrote 8 days ago last edited by Copper@Mik said in More Autopen:
Where's the evidence
That will never be found, Mr. Biden will simply say he had knowledge of its use, end of story.
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So in other words this is just more partisan smoke.
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Yeah it's another "people have told me" Trump lie. Evidence would be great!
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Personally, I'd feel happier knowing that Andrew Tate was rescued from house arrest without the knowledge of the President of the United States, rather than having the suspicion that he escaped due to a deliberate Presidential decision.
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@Mik said in More Autopen:
So in other words this is just more partisan smoke.
Yeah, if it's Democrat partisans.
Trump said in his presser today, that they've found multiple things at or connected to Biden's Presidency, that they think he did not read or did not personally sign.
Trump went on to say he did not blame Biden, because he is convinced Biden was not aware of what he was doing.
I like looking forward, too, but having a President with dementia and a cover-up to hide that fact is something that should not happen. In the past or in the future.
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Agreed. Bring the evidence.
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@Mik said in More Autopen:
So in other words this is just more partisan smoke.
Yeah, if it's Democrat partisans.
Trump said in his presser today, that they've found multiple things at or connected to Biden's Presidency, that they think he did not read or did not personally sign.
Trump went on to say he did not blame Biden, because he is convinced Biden was not aware of what he was doing.
I like looking forward, too, but having a President with dementia and a cover-up to hide that fact is something that should not happen. In the past or in the future.
wrote 8 days ago last edited by jon-nyc@Jolly said in More Autopen:
Trump said in his presser today, that they've found multiple things at or connected to Biden's Presidency, that they think he did not read
I’d bet no President has read an entire appropriations bill in the last 100 years.
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The 2017 tax bill was 503 pages. Zero chance Trump read it. Literally none whatsoever.
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@jon-nyc said in More Autopen:
The 2017 tax bill was 503 pages. Zero chance Trump read it. Literally none whatsoever.
That's not the question, is it?
The questions are, was Mr. Biden deceived?
Did unauthorized people use the Autopen to pretend to be Mr. Biden?
I doubt we will ever know.
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This was never a question until Trump decided to throw out yet another chaos grenade without evidence. The USA should take over Gaza! Canada! Biden didn’t know what he signed! We’ve sent a jillion kazillion dollars to Ukraine! Loud noises!
Y’all need to stop falling for it and giving oxygen to his bafoonery!
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Psst...Trump didn't come with that first ...