Beyond the antivaxx stuff MAHA is either banal or fake
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4 years ago, I was told the science behind puberty blockers was settled. They were safe, reversible, and led to better health outcomes for kids with gender dysphoria. The vast studies supported allowing kids to socially transition and progress. If you don’t, then your daughter is likely going to suicide. It was science. Incontrovertible.
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@Jolly said in Beyond the antivaxx stuff MAHA is either banal or fake:
Trust, once broken, is hard to regain.
It's why cheating kills marriages.
The bogus link between autism and MMR vaccines goes back decades. The lying and fraud started in the 90's, and it wasn't perpetrated by those who support vaccination.
@Doctor-Phibes said in Beyond the antivaxx stuff MAHA is either banal or fake:
The lying and fraud started in the 90's,
Yes, the 1790s. There were those who thought bloodletting was wrong.
All of our best scientists agreed that General George Washington was a candidate for bloodletting.
How did bloodletting contribute to Washington's death?
The massive blood loss, dehydration, electrolyte imbalance, and viscous blood flow likely contributed to Washington's condition.
The bloodletting resulted in severely low blood pressure and shock.
Some years later there were studies that showed the bloodletters might have been a little too enthusiastic.
Science can change. Don't be afraid to question.
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What you're missing, presumably intentionally, is that the link was first conceived by a fraudulent study that faked it's data.
Investigation is fine and dandy, but the only link that's ever been made was due to a bogus paper.
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But let's say the study again finds no link between vaccines and autism.
It wouldn't convince the hardcore conspiracy theorists, but it might persuade people who are on the fence that the previous science was legit, no? In that sense, it might be a good thing.
The two other potential outcomes are: The study finds a link, but the study was manipulated to find that link - well, that would be bad, I guess. The last outcome: The study finds a link and that link is real - I guess we would want to know that, even though it seems very unlikely based on what we know.
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"But let's say the study again finds no link between vaccines and autism."
https://clip.cafe/family-guy-1999/coming-up-next-can-bees-think/
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RFK forced out Dr Peter Marks, head of the Center for Biologics Evaluation and Research at FDA, which oversees vaccines.
He was given the choice to be fired or resign.
In his resignation letter he said he had been willing to work with Kennedy but that “it has become clear that truth and transparency are not desired by the Secretary, but rather he wishes subservient confirmation of his misinformation and lies”
I’ve met with him several times and was always impressed with his desire to get treatments to patients. Gene therapy fell under him and he was a champion of its possibilities.
Can’t wait to see what dangerous crank he replaces him with.
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@jon-nyc said in Beyond the antivaxx stuff MAHA is either banal or fake:
I’ve met with him several times and was always impressed with his desire to get treatments to patients. Gene therapy fell under him and he was a champion of its possibilities.
Can’t wait to see what dangerous crank he replaces him with.
I suspect there’s a high correlation between antivaxx thinking and anti-GMO thinking among the granola chick/MAHA crank set.
I hope that doesn’t spill over into anti-gene therapy in humans.
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In his resignation letter he said he had been willing to work with Kennedy but that “it has become clear that truth and transparency are not desired by the Secretary, but rather he wishes subservient confirmation of his misinformation and lies”
I’d be curious to know if anyone doubts this about RFk. Like do you think someone could carefully walk Kennedy through the existing evidence and he’d be like ‘Oh, yeah. Now I get it.’
Or has his internalization of the many non-falsifiable retorts of the anti-vax community rendered him unable to accept any conclusion except the one pre-formed in his head years ago?
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I hope he goes public with some more details about his interactions with RFK that led him to conclude that truth and transparency has no place. I'm will listen, but until then, we have one side of a story that began with Dr Marks being asked to leave, by RFK.
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He frequently contradicts himself, essentially meaning you can't believe he means anything he says.
