Beyond the antivaxx stuff MAHA is either banal or fake
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wrote on 27 Feb 2025, 15:19 last edited by jon-nyc
The cultural messaging re cigarettes was going full blast already in the 70s. At some point smoking became uncool among higher social status people. While it would be idiotic to say health concerns weren’t a cause of that, it wasn’t so simple as getting the message out on, say, MTV instead of PBS Newshour.
Honestly being in shape and eating well long ago completely swept through higher status US culture. Like smoking, it lags in middle America and among the poor.
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wrote on 27 Feb 2025, 15:20 last edited by
Tedious.
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wrote on 6 Mar 2025, 01:31 last edited by
Steven Pinker on MAHA:
RFKJr's MAHA grafts mindless left-wing environmentalism & granola quackery onto mindless right-wing institutional vandalism.
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wrote on 7 Mar 2025, 17:51 last edited by
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wrote on 7 Mar 2025, 17:57 last edited by
That is a good thing, regardless of the findings.
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wrote on 7 Mar 2025, 18:13 last edited by
Let's just do this one final study and then never talk about it again.
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wrote on 7 Mar 2025, 18:15 last edited by
If the findings are the same as all of the other studies, is it really going to change anybody's mind?
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wrote on 7 Mar 2025, 18:29 last edited by
Depends on who's lying to whom.
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wrote on 7 Mar 2025, 18:38 last edited by Doctor Phibes 22 days ago
@Jolly said in Beyond the antivaxx stuff MAHA is either banal or fake:
Depends on who's lying to whom.
A simple 'no' would probably have been easier.
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wrote on 8 Mar 2025, 02:30 last edited by
Trust, once broken, is hard to regain.
It's why cheating kills marriages.
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wrote on 8 Mar 2025, 03:17 last edited by
@Jolly said in Beyond the antivaxx stuff MAHA is either banal or fake:
Trust, once broken, is hard to regain.
What if it's faith rather than trust that is operating here?
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wrote on 8 Mar 2025, 17:16 last edited by Doctor Phibes 9 days from now
@Jolly said in Beyond the antivaxx stuff MAHA is either banal or fake:
Trust, once broken, is hard to regain.
It's why cheating kills marriages.
The bogus link between autism and MMR vaccines goes back decades. The lying and fraud started in the 90's, and it wasn't perpetrated by those who support vaccination.
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wrote on 8 Mar 2025, 17:30 last edited by
And the lying about the COVID vaccine was pretty recent.
As the old folks said, if they'll lie about one thing, they'll lie about something else....
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wrote on 8 Mar 2025, 19:21 last edited by
4 years ago, I was told the science behind puberty blockers was settled. They were safe, reversible, and led to better health outcomes for kids with gender dysphoria. The vast studies supported allowing kids to socially transition and progress. If you don’t, then your daughter is likely going to suicide. It was science. Incontrovertible.
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@Jolly said in Beyond the antivaxx stuff MAHA is either banal or fake:
Trust, once broken, is hard to regain.
It's why cheating kills marriages.
The bogus link between autism and MMR vaccines goes back decades. The lying and fraud started in the 90's, and it wasn't perpetrated by those who support vaccination.
wrote on 8 Mar 2025, 22:38 last edited by Copper 9 days from now@Doctor-Phibes said in Beyond the antivaxx stuff MAHA is either banal or fake:
The lying and fraud started in the 90's,
Yes, the 1790s. There were those who thought bloodletting was wrong.
All of our best scientists agreed that General George Washington was a candidate for bloodletting.
How did bloodletting contribute to Washington's death?
The massive blood loss, dehydration, electrolyte imbalance, and viscous blood flow likely contributed to Washington's condition.
The bloodletting resulted in severely low blood pressure and shock.
Some years later there were studies that showed the bloodletters might have been a little too enthusiastic.
Science can change. Don't be afraid to question.
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wrote on 8 Mar 2025, 23:14 last edited by
What you're missing, presumably intentionally, is that the link was first conceived by a fraudulent study that faked it's data.
Investigation is fine and dandy, but the only link that's ever been made was due to a bogus paper.
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wrote on 12 Mar 2025, 07:57 last edited by
With a sample size of 12. As opposed to another 25 studies with n in the millions.
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wrote on 12 Mar 2025, 08:29 last edited by
But let's say the study again finds no link between vaccines and autism.
It wouldn't convince the hardcore conspiracy theorists, but it might persuade people who are on the fence that the previous science was legit, no? In that sense, it might be a good thing.
The two other potential outcomes are: The study finds a link, but the study was manipulated to find that link - well, that would be bad, I guess. The last outcome: The study finds a link and that link is real - I guess we would want to know that, even though it seems very unlikely based on what we know.
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wrote on 12 Mar 2025, 14:04 last edited by Moonbat 3 Dec 2025, 14:07
"But let's say the study again finds no link between vaccines and autism."
https://clip.cafe/family-guy-1999/coming-up-next-can-bees-think/
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wrote on 12 Mar 2025, 16:55 last edited by
