The Iran War (was Nuclear Program) thread
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For Iran it’s simply a matter of waiting Trump out and enduring in the meantime.
For years, Tehran has operated on a simple premise: survival against a superior military power constitutes success. In its enduring confrontation with Israel and the US, Tehran has always believed that conflict with one would draw in the other.
"Still standing" is not a fallback outcome - it is the objective. One month into the war, the Islamic Republic's command structures still function, its state apparatus holds, and its deterrent, though degraded, is not broken.
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Waiting is a two edged sword. The US doesn't necessarily have to "win" or have regime change to keep Iran in submission. The US can merely bomb Iran into the stone age on a regular basis, maybe every ten years or so and let nature take its course. And through bad planning and back luck Iran is going through an drought of Biblical proportions that may do more damage to Iran than all the bombs put together and as we saw there is a significant undercurrent of hostility to the severe Islamicism of the people running the country. America should drop its bombs and then see what happens. -
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Waiting is a two edged sword. The US doesn't necessarily have to "win" or have regime change to keep Iran in submission. The US can merely bomb Iran into the stone age on a regular basis, maybe every ten years or so and let nature take its course. And through bad planning and back luck Iran is going through an drought of Biblical proportions that may do more damage to Iran than all the bombs put together and as we saw there is a significant undercurrent of hostility to the severe Islamicism of the people running the country. America should drop its bombs and then see what happens.America should drop its bombs and then see what happens.
It’s not so much what happens in Iran as a result of the bombs, it’s the unacceptable cost of the collateral damage to every supply chain and national economy beyond Iran’s borders that a campaign of bombing Iran “back to the stone ages” that matters.
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We can learn a thing or two from Iran it seems. Also, watch the video in the article about the F-47. Impressive.
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American F15 E strike eagle downed SW Iran. Two crew ejected.
Search and rescue underway.
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American F15 E strike eagle downed SW Iran. Two crew ejected.
Search and rescue underway.
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The IRG published on tv a prize of $50000 bounty for any pilot. The place the plane went down is a very poor area and the kind of money is millions for us. Just praying the other is found soon.
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I get what Thorne is trying to explain and reason away in his tortured post factum analysis. It however misses the mark on two important aspects.
The first being that it was the US itself following WWII that wanted its Western European allies to remain individually militarily weak but collectively allied with the US under NATO against the USSR and its satellites. Essentially the US would become the alternative major continental power to the Soviet Union, the position previously held by either France or Germany. Britain was never really part of the formula as it was never a continental power but rather a naval power with greatly diminished power projection abilities following WWII.
The second being, there is no way the Trump Adminstration would reason or rationalize its current policies and plans under the guidance of Hegelian historicism. Like John Bolton, I am of the mind there is no grand plan or strategy governing Trump’s thoughts, pronouncements or actions let alone policy objectives extending beyond a week or so. In Trump’s mind a Hegelian dialectic would probably be something to relieve a gastrointestinal complaint.
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Yeah politicians generally play checkers not chess, especially in democracies. That is when they’re not eating the pieces.
Also there’s what’s known as the ‘myth of energy independence’. As if we can sit on our shores with $40 oil while huge swathes of the world just go without or pay 4x that.
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