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  • MikM Offline
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    Mik
    wrote last edited by
    #978

    VDH is on board.

    🚨 Victor Davis Hanson: THE SIGNALS ARE ALL POINTING THE SAME DIRECTION

    No U.S. analyst knows better how to cut through the fog of war than Stanford University Prof. @VDHanson.

    In the clip below, Hanson, who’s studied how wars end for 50 years, says the tide has turned in America’s favor against Iran. Forget the rancid propaganda flowing from all quarters related to the Iran conflict and how it is going - Hanson says look at how everyone else is behaving.

    Hanson’s Key Points:

    • Europeans: They never touch a conflict until they smell victory. Early on? Crickets. Now they’re quietly moving assets and offering support. Pure calculation — they’ve read the battlefield and decided which side wins.

    • Gulf petro-states: Saudis, Emiratis, Qataris survive by reading the room perfectly. They’re expelling Iranian attachés, silently intercepting Iranian missiles over their capitals, and the UAE just reaffirmed its $1.4 trillion investment commitment to the U.S. mid-war. These are not gestures — they’re bets. And they’re all-in on America.

    • Al Jazeera: The Qatari state network that usually bashes U.S. actions (and hosts Hamas offices) is now calling America’s bombing campaign “brilliant” and “underestimated.” When the outlet that hosts both the biggest U.S. air base and Hamas praises U.S. effectiveness, the message is unmistakable: they think we’re winning.

    • Military reality: A-10 Warthogs and Apache gunships are now flying strike missions inside Iranian airspace at will. These slow, low-flying platforms only appear when enemy air defenses are effectively gone. Confirms what’s really happening on the ground.

    Iran’s only play left is rope-a-dope: drag it out, hope U.S. public opinion flips, pray midterms pressure Trump to quit.

    VDH’s verdict: If Trump sees it through — and he will — the regime falls. Not in years. Pretty soon.

    Bottom line: Watch what people do, not what they say. Every player with skin in the game is betting on America.

    "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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    • taiwan_girlT Offline
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      taiwan_girl
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      “TAVAJOH! TAVAJOH! TAVAJOH!” a man’s voice announces, before going on to narrate a string of numbers in no apparent order, slowly and rhythmically. After nearly two hours, the calls of “Attention!” in Persian stop, only to resume again hours later.

      The broadcast has been playing twice a day on a shortwave frequency since the start of the US-Israel attack on Iran on February 28.

      According to Priyom, an organization which tracks and analyses global military and intelligence use of shortwave radio, using established radio-location techniques, the broadcast was first heard as the US bombing of Iran began. It has since played on the 7910 kHz shortwave frequency like clockwork—at 02.00 UTC and again at 18.00 UTC.

      and

      Number stations are shortwave radio broadcasts that play strings of numbers or codes that sound random—like the one now heard in Iran. “It is an encrypted radio message used by foreign intelligence services, often as part of a complex operation by intelligence agencies and militaries,” says Maris Goldmanis, a Latvian historian and avid numbers stations researcher.

      Number stations are most commonly associated with espionage. “For intelligence agencies, it is important to communicate with their spies to gather intelligence,” says John Sipher, a former US intelligence officer who served 28 years in the CIA’s National Clandestine Service. “This is not always possible in person due to political constraints or conflict. This is where number stations come in.”

      and

      Because the broadcasts are encrypted and designed to be covert, those details may remain unclear for years, Goldmanis says. The structured nature of the transmission—its fixed schedule and consistent use of frequencies—further suggests it is part of a planned operation.

      One theory is that the broadcasts originate from Iran itself, as part of its wartime intelligence efforts—particularly if traditional covert communication channels have been disrupted. “Such a station would have appeared if the Iranian intelligence service had lost its usual way of covert communication with the Iranian agents abroad because of the Israeli and US strikes and was now required to use a shortwave radio to send messages and instructions,” he says.

      However, another more widely backed theory is that perhaps the US, Israel, or an Iranian opposition group in exile that is based in Europe is using shortwave transmitters to reach allies inside. “There is also a suggestion that these broadcasts are used to confuse and distract the Iranian security,” Goldmanis adds.

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      • jon-nycJ Offline
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        jon-nyc
        wrote last edited by
        #980

        General Mattis:

        “Iran right now, if we declared victory, they would now say they own the strait,” Mattis said during the CERAweek by S&P Global conference. “You’d see a tax for every ship that goes through.”
        “We’re in a tough spot, ladies and gentlemen,” Mattis said. “I can’t identify a lot of options.”

        https://www.politico.com/news/2026/03/23/mattis-ending-iran-war-now-cede-hormuz-00841109

        Person. Woman. Man. Camera. TV.

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        • A Offline
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          AndyD
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          #981

          So, any guesses where the Marines and Paras will be deployed?

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          • RenaudaR Offline
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            Renauda
            wrote last edited by
            #982

            Not sure what to make of the chatter coming out of the White House last couple hours. Without saying it outright Trump makes it sound like unconditional surrender or close to it by Tehran has been reached.

            I have my doubts.

            Elbows up!

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            • MikM Offline
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              Mik
              wrote last edited by Mik
              #983

              Why would they at this point? It really doesn't make sense unless something has happened at high levels in Iran.

              https://www.bbc.com/news/live/cn8dldl0jx9t

              "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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              • RenaudaR Offline
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                Renauda
                wrote last edited by Renauda
                #984

                Like I said, I can't make heads or tails of it.

                Maybe it’s just Trump trying to calm con down the markets.

                Elbows up!

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                • RenaudaR Renauda

                  Like I said, I can't make heads or tails of it.

                  Maybe it’s just Trump trying to calm con down the markets.

                  kluursK Offline
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                  kluurs
                  wrote last edited by
                  #985

                  @Renauda said:

                  Like I said, I can't make heads or tails of it.

                  Maybe it’s just Trump trying to calm con down the markets.

                  Some folks are a little suspicious of the size of some well-timed market speculation tied to Trump's pronouncements.

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                  • RenaudaR Offline
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                    Renauda
                    wrote last edited by
                    #986

                    Yes, I have heard reports. They say a few windfalls were to be had.

                    Elbows up!

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                    • RenaudaR Renauda

                      Like I said, I can't make heads or tails of it.

                      Maybe it’s just Trump trying to calm con down the markets.

                      MikM Offline
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                      Mik
                      wrote last edited by
                      #987

                      @Renauda said:

                      Like I said, I can't make heads or tails of it.

                      Maybe it’s just Trump trying to calm con down the markets.

                      That was the alternative I was thinking of.

                      "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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                      • jon-nycJ Offline
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                        jon-nyc
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                        #988

                        Person. Woman. Man. Camera. TV.

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                        • MikM Offline
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                          Mik
                          wrote last edited by
                          #989

                          I have a feeling no one is really in charge in Iran.

                          https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/iran-war-updates-tehran-says-trump-s-claim-us-wants-deal-is-fake-news/ar-AA1ZmtKi

                          "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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                          • 89th8 Offline
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                            89th
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                            #990

                            Funny, just yesterday as Trump was talking about these deal makers, I was thinking (and truly I'm no expert at all), who exactly is in charge in that country to make decisions?

                            I'm not really sure what the goal is here, last year I thought we wiped out all of their nuke bomb facilities. Guess not? Maybe we should've waited for there to be mass protests in the street and then fly in overheads and wipe out the leadership the people were protesting against, then let the protest momentum continue?

                            Right now we seem to be in the business of creating bomb vacuums against an enemy whose defense strategy is to randomly shoot missiles and drones at everyone around them while shitting in their own pool so no one can swim.

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                            • MikM Mik

                              I have a feeling no one is really in charge in Iran.

                              https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/iran-war-updates-tehran-says-trump-s-claim-us-wants-deal-is-fake-news/ar-AA1ZmtKi

                              RenaudaR Offline
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                              Renauda
                              wrote last edited by Renauda
                              #991

                              @Mik said:

                              I have a feeling no one is really in charge in Iran.

                              https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/iran-war-updates-tehran-says-trump-s-claim-us-wants-deal-is-fake-news/ar-AA1ZmtKi

                              According to BBC reporting the Iranians have said that right now “the US is negotiating with itself”:
                              https://www.bbc.com/news/live/cn8dldl0jx9t?post=asset%3Ac827718d-a478-4809-aba4-dcf6f4f1dcc5#post

                              Not sure who the one telling the fibs is in this game of smoke and mirrors.

                              Elbows up!

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                              • RenaudaR Renauda

                                @Mik said:

                                I have a feeling no one is really in charge in Iran.

                                https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/iran-war-updates-tehran-says-trump-s-claim-us-wants-deal-is-fake-news/ar-AA1ZmtKi

                                According to BBC reporting the Iranians have said that right now “the US is negotiating with itself”:
                                https://www.bbc.com/news/live/cn8dldl0jx9t?post=asset%3Ac827718d-a478-4809-aba4-dcf6f4f1dcc5#post

                                Not sure who the one telling the fibs is in this game of smoke and mirrors.

                                Doctor PhibesD Offline
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                                Doctor Phibes
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                                @Renauda said:

                                Not sure who the one telling the fibs is in this game of smoke and mirrors.

                                We've actually reached the point where we can't be sure who is less trustworthy, the Iranian government or the POTUS.

                                I was only joking

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                                • jon-nycJ Offline
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                                  jon-nyc
                                  wrote last edited by
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                                  Well it’s clear the administration is negotiating with somebody there. Sounds like the people he’s talking to don’t have suppprt of some or all of the IRGC. If you recall he said he didn’t want to give a name so that the person didn’t get killed.

                                  It’s really hard to know what’s going on now.

                                  Person. Woman. Man. Camera. TV.

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                                    Renauda
                                    wrote last edited by Renauda
                                    #994

                                    Iran issues its own maximalist conditions to end the war…..

                                    https://www.bbc.com/news/live/cn8dldl0jx9t?post=asset%3A95cce47e-33a2-4b62-a70f-e08d18561586#post

                                    Seems that the Iranians were correct, Trump’s team has been negotiating these past couple of days with itself.

                                    Looks like there’ll be US boots on the ground sooner rather than later.

                                    Elbows up!

                                    taiwan_girlT 1 Reply Last reply
                                    • RenaudaR Renauda

                                      Iran issues its own maximalist conditions to end the war…..

                                      https://www.bbc.com/news/live/cn8dldl0jx9t?post=asset%3A95cce47e-33a2-4b62-a70f-e08d18561586#post

                                      Seems that the Iranians were correct, Trump’s team has been negotiating these past couple of days with itself.

                                      Looks like there’ll be US boots on the ground sooner rather than later.

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                                      taiwan_girl
                                      wrote last edited by
                                      #995

                                      @Renauda Unfortunately, I agree.

                                      Of the five points mentioned in the article, #1 is the only one that would have any sort of possible of happening. Definitely compromises will probably have to be done on both sides. From a practical point of view, the US obviously is in the stronger position, but the longer this goes on, public opinion, etc. almost balances that out for the Iranians.

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                                      • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                                        Well it’s clear the administration is negotiating with somebody there. Sounds like the people he’s talking to don’t have suppprt of some or all of the IRGC. If you recall he said he didn’t want to give a name so that the person didn’t get killed.

                                        It’s really hard to know what’s going on now.

                                        RenaudaR Offline
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                                        Renauda
                                        wrote last edited by Renauda
                                        #996

                                        @jon-nyc said:

                                        Well it’s clear the administration is negotiating with somebody there. Sounds like the people he’s talking to don’t have suppprt of some or all of the IRGC. If you recall he said he didn’t want to give a name so that the person didn’t get killed.

                                        It’s really hard to know what’s going on now.

                                        Maybe the Iranian equivalent to Rudolf Hess?

                                        Or maybe someone who approached Steve Witkoff through his associate Kirill Dimitriev?

                                        Elbows up!

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                                        • RenaudaR Renauda

                                          @jon-nyc said:

                                          Well it’s clear the administration is negotiating with somebody there. Sounds like the people he’s talking to don’t have suppprt of some or all of the IRGC. If you recall he said he didn’t want to give a name so that the person didn’t get killed.

                                          It’s really hard to know what’s going on now.

                                          Maybe the Iranian equivalent to Rudolf Hess?

                                          Or maybe someone who approached Steve Witkoff through his associate Kirill Dimitriev?

                                          jon-nycJ Offline
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                                          jon-nyc
                                          wrote last edited by
                                          #997

                                          @Renauda said:

                                          @jon-nyc said:

                                          Well it’s clear the administration is negotiating with somebody there. Sounds like the people he’s talking to don’t have suppprt of some or all of the IRGC. If you recall he said he didn’t want to give a name so that the person didn’t get killed.

                                          It’s really hard to know what’s going on now.

                                          Maybe the Iranian equivalent to Rudolf Hess?

                                          Exactly.

                                          Person. Woman. Man. Camera. TV.

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