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  • MikM Offline
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    Mik
    wrote on last edited by Mik
    #880

    The devil is in the details and the wording. Trump may not have contacted them, but that leaves open the possibility they contacted him. I put no stock in either assertion.

    I suspect if any did it would be W.

    "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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    • kluursK Offline
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      kluurs
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      #881

      First off, he didn't say that the predecessor was a living past president - and second, he didn't exclude that the past-president was #45.

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      • kluursK kluurs

        First off, he didn't say that the predecessor was a living past president - and second, he didn't exclude that the past-president was #45.

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        Renauda
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        #882

        @kluurs

        and second, he didn't exclude that the past-president was #45.

        Bingo!

        Elbows up!

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        • MikM Offline
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          wrote on last edited by
          #883

          An astute observation.

          "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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          • kluursK Offline
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            kluurs
            wrote on last edited by
            #884

            Best strategic idea since a mustached guy decided he could wage a 3 front war
            80780bf7-c960-4124-9ba5-2bcde89d797b-image.jpeg

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            • AxtremusA Offline
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              Axtremus
              wrote on last edited by
              #885

              And just like that ... Greenland is spared.
              (Until the next episode.)

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              • A Offline
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                AndyD
                wrote on last edited by
                #886

                20260226_120921.jpg

                Looks like part of the US to me

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                • jon-nycJ Offline
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                  jon-nyc
                  wrote last edited by jon-nyc
                  #887

                  He’s getting frustrated. But at the end of the day it will be really hard to declare victory if he can’t open the strait. Giving up without doing so will embolden the regime and change the calculus of our allies in the gulf and beyond.

                  IMG_1109.jpeg

                  Person. Woman. Man. Camera. TV.

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                  • MikM Offline
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                    wrote last edited by Mik
                    #888

                    It's SO too late to pull the "allies" in. You break it...

                    I'm not sure what they could really add to the picture that we can't anyway.

                    "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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                    • jon-nycJ Offline
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                      wrote last edited by
                      #889

                      My understanding is raw numbers of ships for escorts. Something like 130 ships a day traverse the straight. Even in small convoys you need a lot of ships.

                      Person. Woman. Man. Camera. TV.

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                      • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                        He’s getting frustrated. But at the end of the day it will be really hard to declare victory if he can’t open the strait. Giving up without doing so will embolden the regime and change the calculus of our allies in the gulf and beyond.

                        IMG_1109.jpeg

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                        Renauda
                        wrote last edited by Renauda
                        #890

                        @jon-nyc said:

                        He’s getting frustrated. But at the end of the day it will be really hard to declare victory if he can’t open the strait. Giving up without doing so will embolden the regime and change the calculus of our allies in the gulf and beyond.

                        IMG_1109.jpeg

                        Seems to me, keeping “the Strait” open for safe passage is very much in the interests of several multinational American oil and gas producers. There are also both large and small US based O & G equipment manufacturers and service companies operating throughout the Persian Gulf which depend on those shipping lanes.

                        The Gulf region supplies Asia with the bulk its sulphur and potash for fertiliser production. With the Strait closed, this driving to price of fertiliser up globally. Owing to this great uncertainty, the rising costs of diesel fuel and fertiliser will make 2026 to be an expensive year for US farmers to sow their fields. Those added expenses will be felt by virtually everyone in the US when they go to the grocery store. If there was no affordability crisis before this, there soon will be especially come autumn.

                        So for Trump to say “we don’t” [use it] is wholly false.

                        Elbows up!

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                          #891

                          Yeah as I said before my fear (and, frankly, expectation) is that he’ll give up when the political price of continuing the war gets too high and just paint a bullseye around the current state of things, whatever they happen to be. This could end up being part of it.

                          Person. Woman. Man. Camera. TV.

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                          • MikM Offline
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                            #892

                            I still haven't heard much about the state of affairs in country. Seems like if there were uprisings, we'd be hearing about them long and loud.

                            "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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                              Renauda
                              wrote last edited by Renauda
                              #893

                              I don’t think we will see Iranians take to the streets anytime soon. Between the bombs and the state organs of repression, they remain sufficiently cowed into passivity. That however could change very quickly and violently if it becomes difficult to find food.

                              Regardless, the longer the war goes on the more difficult it will be down the road for the West in general, the Israelis in particular and the US specifically, to win many Persian hearts and minds. Based on what I have been reading and hear, that between the US and Israelis, it is only the latter that fully grasps the importance of creating the necessary conditions as soon as possible to effect regime change from below. I don’t sense much savvy in that regard coming out of the WH.

                              Elbows up!

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                                jon-nyc
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                                #894

                                Saw these together.

                                Person. Woman. Man. Camera. TV.

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                                • MikM Offline
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                                  wrote last edited by Mik
                                  #895

                                  Guy's got a bad rug.

                                  "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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                                    Person. Woman. Man. Camera. TV.

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                                      bachophile
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                                      #897

                                      Former ambassador

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                                        jon-nyc
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                                        So is this Iran accepting the ultimatum, but phrasing it as their own ultimatum to sound better?

                                        Person. Woman. Man. Camera. TV.

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                                          #899

                                          I don’t know this guy, but he’s a macroeconomist who is followed by some respectable people and JD Vance.

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