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The Iran War (was Nuclear Program) thread

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  • MikM Mik

    Russia's doing what Russia does, playing both ends against the middle. Shamelessly I might add, but then no one ever lost by flattering Trump.

    My biggest concern would be that Putin's "traditional social values" stance might be attractive enough to some more extreme MAGA followers and influencers to cozy up.

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    #876

    @Mik said:

    Russia's doing what Russia does, playing both ends against the middle. Shamelessly I might add, but then no one ever lost by flattering Trump.

    I get that. What I don’t get is Washington’s ongoing folly to fall into every trap the Kremlin sets for it. Washington does not anppear to grasp that Iran is nothing to Putin whereas undisputed Russian hegemony in Europe is everything.

    But then what can you expect when your chief diplomatic envoys are a financial bagman and a real estate hustler with little to no understanding of foreign policy let alone, diplomacy at any level. As the Brits pointed out they didn’t show up at the nuclear talks with a technical team. No surprise though, Witkoff didn’t show up with his own vetted interpreter last spring when he met Putin in the Kremlin. You would think he might have learned something since then. Apparently not.

    My biggest concern would be that Putin's "traditional social values" stance might be attractive enough to some more extreme MAGA followers and influencers to cozy up.

    That’s a valid observation and an internal problem that only the US itself can address.

    My biggest concern is this latest round of chaos and mayhem appears to have been orchestrated in advance.

    Elbows up!

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      #877

      That would not surprise me one bit.

      Still, it's all bullshit because NATO is a defensive organization and no NATO member is being attacked. Yet. The US and Israel are, and by any clear analysis should be, on their own here.

      "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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        #878

        I do not dispute that the state of Israel is certainly being attacked and Iran has been and is an immanent threat to the Israeli homeland either directly or through its Arab proxies.

        Iran on the other hand, while being an enemy of the US, does not itself pose or present an immanent threat to the US homeland or the very existence of the USA.

        Big difference. But I do agree the belligerents should be on their own in this fight.

        Elbows up!

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          #879

          https://apnews.com/article/trump-iran-war-former-president-confession-37d8ffa692903d41c47a85245244d971

          Twice on Monday, President Donald Trump said he’d wrangled a confession of sorts from an Oval Office predecessor who he said had expressed regret in a private conversation about not attacking Iran the way Trump has been doing for more than two weeks.

          But there’s just a little problem: Representatives for the four living former presidents — three Democrats and one Republican — said none have been in touch with Trump recently.

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          • MikM Offline
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            wrote last edited by Mik
            #880

            The devil is in the details and the wording. Trump may not have contacted them, but that leaves open the possibility they contacted him. I put no stock in either assertion.

            I suspect if any did it would be W.

            "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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              #881

              First off, he didn't say that the predecessor was a living past president - and second, he didn't exclude that the past-president was #45.

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              • kluursK kluurs

                First off, he didn't say that the predecessor was a living past president - and second, he didn't exclude that the past-president was #45.

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                @kluurs

                and second, he didn't exclude that the past-president was #45.

                Bingo!

                Elbows up!

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                • MikM Offline
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                  #883

                  An astute observation.

                  "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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                    #884

                    Best strategic idea since a mustached guy decided he could wage a 3 front war
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                      And just like that ... Greenland is spared.
                      (Until the next episode.)

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