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  • MikM Mik

    I suspect the Iranian people as a whole have lost their fervor for spreading Islamic revolution now that they see their utter vulnerabilities. If they ever really had it. My impression is those who signed on to that did it for personal power, not ideology.

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    @Mik said in The Iran Nuclear Program thread:

    I suspect the Iranian people as a whole have lost their fervor for spreading Islamic revolution now that they see their utter vulnerabilities. If they ever really had it. My impression is those who signed on to that did it for personal power, not ideology.

    Iran is not the only nation where a group of religious fanatics have a degree of influence out of bounds with that of the majority of the population - part of the reason that Chris Hitchens had such disdain for religion.

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      Cluster munitions used by Iran.

      They’ll end up, after a lot of drama, with the same formula they use every time they have a trifecta: take away health care and food assistance from low income families and use the money to fund tax cuts for their donors.

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        🤕

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        • MikM Offline
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          I don't agree with everything this guy says, but it's worth listening to.

          https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/what-are-iran-s-retaliation-options-if-the-u-s-were-to-strike/vi-AA1H3KAp

          “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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            Contrarian view

            Link to video

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            • MikM Offline
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              I hear what he says, but if you are not intending to enrich weapons grade materials, why do you go to the expense of hiding your facilities half a mile under a mountain where you have to build tunnels and power facilities into it? When your stated goal is death to <whoever we don't like today> and you are sponsoring attacks on that entity is it reasonable to believe you are not intending to develop the weapon?

              “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/why-an-attack-on-fordow-could-be-a-strategic-gift-to-iran/ar-AA1H2Tqr?cmp_prftch=2

                “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                • MikM Mik

                  I hear what he says, but if you are not intending to enrich weapons grade materials, why do you go to the expense of hiding your facilities half a mile under a mountain where you have to build tunnels and power facilities into it? When your stated goal is death to <whoever we don't like today> and you are sponsoring attacks on that entity is it reasonable to believe you are not intending to develop the weapon?

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                  @Mik said in The Iran Nuclear Program thread:

                  I hear what he says, but if you are not intending to enrich weapons grade materials, why do you go to the expense of hiding your facilities half a mile under a mountain where you have to build tunnels and power facilities into it? When your stated goal is death to <whoever we don't like today> and you are sponsoring attacks on that entity is it reasonable to believe you are not intending to develop the weapon?

                  Same arguments regarding Hussein and the WMD inspections in 2004… Though, I still find it extremely hard to believe that there weren’t WMD… The only other explanation that I’ll entertain is that he pretended to have WMD programs to try and have some leverage…

                  The Brad

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                    You don’t have to believe Israel or Trump. This is from the IAEA:

                    They’ll end up, after a lot of drama, with the same formula they use every time they have a trifecta: take away health care and food assistance from low income families and use the money to fund tax cuts for their donors.

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                      There ya go.

                      For me it's never been about believing either one. I looked at what Iran does, not what it, or anyone else, says.

                      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                        B2s on their way to Diego Garcia.

                        They’ll end up, after a lot of drama, with the same formula they use every time they have a trifecta: take away health care and food assistance from low income families and use the money to fund tax cuts for their donors.

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                          I suppose this pair of tweets should adjust our priors a bit. Still, I’ll believe it when I see it.

                          They’ll end up, after a lot of drama, with the same formula they use every time they have a trifecta: take away health care and food assistance from low income families and use the money to fund tax cuts for their donors.

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                            B2s on their way to Diego Garcia.

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                            @jon-nyc said in The Iran Nuclear Program thread:

                            B2s on their way to Diego Garcia.

                            Range of a B2 is just shy of 7K miles…

                            Still, I’m surprised there aren’t B2s already stationed within range of the Middle East.

                            The Brad

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                              I’m not. It sends a message we have not wanted to send.

                              “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                              • MikM Mik

                                I’m not. It sends a message we have not wanted to send.

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                                @Mik said in The Iran Nuclear Program thread:

                                I’m not. It sends a message we have not wanted to send.

                                I didn’t think it needs to be advertised. Publicly sending the B2s to the region sends a message. Having B2s regularly stationed would be normal and expected, just as having some stationed in Germany…

                                The Brad

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                                  If you have them already stationed then you can’t send a message by bringing them in.

                                  “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                    https://www.nytimes.com/live/2025/06/21/world/iran-israel-trump

                                    Trump announced the United States had struck Fordo, Iran’s heavily fortified nuclear facilities, as well as two other sites.

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                                      Well, it's started then. I hope those damn bombs work.

                                      Flushing the toilet is like practicing the piano; you just cannot go too long without doing it.--Axtremus

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                                        They’ll end up, after a lot of drama, with the same formula they use every time they have a trifecta: take away health care and food assistance from low income families and use the money to fund tax cuts for their donors.

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                                          🤷 I hope this works out. Anyway, next time America gets attacked by terrorists, well know who will get blamed.

                                          Education is extremely important.

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