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  • M Away
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    Mik
    wrote 26 days ago last edited by Mik
    #370

    I suspect the Iranian people as a whole have lost their fervor for spreading Islamic revolution now that they see their utter vulnerabilities. If they ever really had it. My impression is those who signed on to that did it for personal power, not ideology.

    "The intelligent man who is proud of his intelligence is like the condemned man who is proud of his large cell." Simone Weil

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    • M Mik
      26 days ago

      I suspect the Iranian people as a whole have lost their fervor for spreading Islamic revolution now that they see their utter vulnerabilities. If they ever really had it. My impression is those who signed on to that did it for personal power, not ideology.

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      kluurs
      wrote 26 days ago last edited by
      #371

      @Mik said in The Iran Nuclear Program thread:

      I suspect the Iranian people as a whole have lost their fervor for spreading Islamic revolution now that they see their utter vulnerabilities. If they ever really had it. My impression is those who signed on to that did it for personal power, not ideology.

      Iran is not the only nation where a group of religious fanatics have a degree of influence out of bounds with that of the majority of the population - part of the reason that Chris Hitchens had such disdain for religion.

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      • J Online
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        jon-nyc
        wrote 26 days ago last edited by
        #372

        Cluster munitions used by Iran.

        They’ll end up, after a lot of drama, with the same formula they use every time they have a trifecta: take away health care and food assistance from low income families and use the money to fund tax cuts for their donors.

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          taiwan_girl
          wrote 26 days ago last edited by
          #373

          🤕

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          • M Away
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            Mik
            wrote 26 days ago last edited by
            #374

            I don't agree with everything this guy says, but it's worth listening to.

            https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/what-are-iran-s-retaliation-options-if-the-u-s-were-to-strike/vi-AA1H3KAp

            "The intelligent man who is proud of his intelligence is like the condemned man who is proud of his large cell." Simone Weil

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            • K Online
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              kluurs
              wrote 26 days ago last edited by
              #375

              Contrarian view

              Link to video

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              • M Away
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                Mik
                wrote 26 days ago last edited by Mik
                #376

                I hear what he says, but if you are not intending to enrich weapons grade materials, why do you go to the expense of hiding your facilities half a mile under a mountain where you have to build tunnels and power facilities into it? When your stated goal is death to <whoever we don't like today> and you are sponsoring attacks on that entity is it reasonable to believe you are not intending to develop the weapon?

                "The intelligent man who is proud of his intelligence is like the condemned man who is proud of his large cell." Simone Weil

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                  Mik
                  wrote 26 days ago last edited by
                  #377

                  https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/why-an-attack-on-fordow-could-be-a-strategic-gift-to-iran/ar-AA1H2Tqr?cmp_prftch=2

                  "The intelligent man who is proud of his intelligence is like the condemned man who is proud of his large cell." Simone Weil

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                  • M Mik
                    26 days ago

                    I hear what he says, but if you are not intending to enrich weapons grade materials, why do you go to the expense of hiding your facilities half a mile under a mountain where you have to build tunnels and power facilities into it? When your stated goal is death to <whoever we don't like today> and you are sponsoring attacks on that entity is it reasonable to believe you are not intending to develop the weapon?

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                    LuFins Dad
                    wrote 26 days ago last edited by
                    #378

                    @Mik said in The Iran Nuclear Program thread:

                    I hear what he says, but if you are not intending to enrich weapons grade materials, why do you go to the expense of hiding your facilities half a mile under a mountain where you have to build tunnels and power facilities into it? When your stated goal is death to <whoever we don't like today> and you are sponsoring attacks on that entity is it reasonable to believe you are not intending to develop the weapon?

                    Same arguments regarding Hussein and the WMD inspections in 2004… Though, I still find it extremely hard to believe that there weren’t WMD… The only other explanation that I’ll entertain is that he pretended to have WMD programs to try and have some leverage…

                    The Brad

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                      jon-nyc
                      wrote 26 days ago last edited by
                      #379

                      You don’t have to believe Israel or Trump. This is from the IAEA:

                      They’ll end up, after a lot of drama, with the same formula they use every time they have a trifecta: take away health care and food assistance from low income families and use the money to fund tax cuts for their donors.

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                      • M Away
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                        Mik
                        wrote 26 days ago last edited by
                        #380

                        There ya go.

                        For me it's never been about believing either one. I looked at what Iran does, not what it, or anyone else, says.

                        "The intelligent man who is proud of his intelligence is like the condemned man who is proud of his large cell." Simone Weil

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                          jon-nyc
                          wrote 25 days ago last edited by
                          #381

                          B2s on their way to Diego Garcia.

                          They’ll end up, after a lot of drama, with the same formula they use every time they have a trifecta: take away health care and food assistance from low income families and use the money to fund tax cuts for their donors.

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                            jon-nyc
                            wrote 25 days ago last edited by jon-nyc
                            #382

                            I suppose this pair of tweets should adjust our priors a bit. Still, I’ll believe it when I see it.

                            They’ll end up, after a lot of drama, with the same formula they use every time they have a trifecta: take away health care and food assistance from low income families and use the money to fund tax cuts for their donors.

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                            • J jon-nyc
                              25 days ago

                              B2s on their way to Diego Garcia.

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                              LuFins Dad
                              wrote 25 days ago last edited by
                              #383

                              @jon-nyc said in The Iran Nuclear Program thread:

                              B2s on their way to Diego Garcia.

                              Range of a B2 is just shy of 7K miles…

                              Still, I’m surprised there aren’t B2s already stationed within range of the Middle East.

                              The Brad

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                                Mik
                                wrote 25 days ago last edited by
                                #384

                                I’m not. It sends a message we have not wanted to send.

                                "The intelligent man who is proud of his intelligence is like the condemned man who is proud of his large cell." Simone Weil

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                                • M Mik
                                  25 days ago

                                  I’m not. It sends a message we have not wanted to send.

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                                  LuFins Dad
                                  wrote 25 days ago last edited by
                                  #385

                                  @Mik said in The Iran Nuclear Program thread:

                                  I’m not. It sends a message we have not wanted to send.

                                  I didn’t think it needs to be advertised. Publicly sending the B2s to the region sends a message. Having B2s regularly stationed would be normal and expected, just as having some stationed in Germany…

                                  The Brad

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                                    Mik
                                    wrote 25 days ago last edited by
                                    #386

                                    If you have them already stationed then you can’t send a message by bringing them in.

                                    "The intelligent man who is proud of his intelligence is like the condemned man who is proud of his large cell." Simone Weil

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                                      Axtremus
                                      wrote 25 days ago last edited by Axtremus
                                      #387

                                      https://www.nytimes.com/live/2025/06/21/world/iran-israel-trump

                                      Trump announced the United States had struck Fordo, Iran’s heavily fortified nuclear facilities, as well as two other sites.

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                                        Tom-K
                                        wrote 25 days ago last edited by
                                        #388

                                        Well, it's started then. I hope those damn bombs work.

                                        Flushing the toilet is like practicing the piano; you just cannot go too long without doing it.--Axtremus

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                                          jon-nyc
                                          wrote 25 days ago last edited by
                                          #389

                                          They’ll end up, after a lot of drama, with the same formula they use every time they have a trifecta: take away health care and food assistance from low income families and use the money to fund tax cuts for their donors.

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