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Massie: This bill adds 20T to the debt over 10 years.

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  • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

    The bill is a bunch of crap for a lot of reasons beyond the deficit increase. If passed, it makes servers and common labor into a protected and favored class, paying less on their taxes than others in the same income bracket. That is nuts. I want to see what those numbers alone are. I honestly wonder about the legality of it.

    But the meat of it is still making the 2017 tax cuts permanent, and frankly, I distrust the CBO’s estimates. From 2019-2023, the tax revenues averaged nearly $170B more per year than the CBO projections. At the same time, CBO projections on higher tax levels almost always overestimate the projected revenue. CBO projections for the Obama years projected $30T in federal revenues under the Obama administration’s plans, but the reality was about $4.5T less.

    Simultaneously, we’ve got a very serious market and real estate bubble going on, inflation is still higher than the Fed is comfortable with, and we still have high interest rates over what we’re used to seeing. We need substantial and sustainable growth right now, desperately. I don’t see how that happens while raising taxes back to the Obama levels.

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    @LuFins-Dad said in Massie: This bill adds 20T to the debt over 10 years.:

    Simultaneously, we’ve got a very serious market and real estate bubble going on, inflation is still higher than the Fed is comfortable with, and we still have high interest rates over what we’re used to seeing. We need substantial and sustainable growth right now, desperately. I don’t see how that happens while raising taxes back to the Obama levels.

    This. 👆

    I'm also in favor of a cap on the tip exemption.

    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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      Secondly, a lot of our problem is entitlements. Fer gawd's sake, take the cap off of FICA...

      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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        Horace
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        #14

        So, where's the removal of the SS cap? Is that in the picture in any conceivable legislative future?

        Education is extremely important.

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          LuFins Dad
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          #15

          Pssst, it’s not the entitlements…

          https://budget.house.gov/press-release/op-ed-wall-street-journal-welfare-is-whats-eating-the-budget

          The Brad

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            Horace
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            #16

            "We give too much money to the poor" will be a tough sell.

            Education is extremely important.

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            • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

              Pssst, it’s not the entitlements…

              https://budget.house.gov/press-release/op-ed-wall-street-journal-welfare-is-whats-eating-the-budget

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              #17

              @LuFins-Dad said in Massie: This bill adds 20T to the debt over 10 years.:

              Pssst, it’s not the entitlements…

              https://budget.house.gov/press-release/op-ed-wall-street-journal-welfare-is-whats-eating-the-budget

              This is really disingenuous. The ticking time bomb that are entitlements won’t actually explode for a decade ergo it’s not the problem.

              Zero out everything he mentions and entitlements still bankrupt us before Finley graduates college.

              Only non-witches get due process.

              • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                This might be a good time to start a balanced budget movement.

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                • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                  @LuFins-Dad said in Massie: This bill adds 20T to the debt over 10 years.:

                  Pssst, it’s not the entitlements…

                  https://budget.house.gov/press-release/op-ed-wall-street-journal-welfare-is-whats-eating-the-budget

                  This is really disingenuous. The ticking time bomb that are entitlements won’t actually explode for a decade ergo it’s not the problem.

                  Zero out everything he mentions and entitlements still bankrupt us before Finley graduates college.

                  LuFins DadL Offline
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                  @jon-nyc said in Massie: This bill adds 20T to the debt over 10 years.:

                  @LuFins-Dad said in Massie: This bill adds 20T to the debt over 10 years.:

                  Pssst, it’s not the entitlements…

                  https://budget.house.gov/press-release/op-ed-wall-street-journal-welfare-is-whats-eating-the-budget

                  This is really disingenuous. The ticking time bomb that are entitlements won’t actually explode for a decade ergo it’s not the problem.

                  Zero out everything he mentions and entitlements still bankrupt us before Finley graduates college.

                  Yeah, remind me again who has been calling for a removal of the FICA caps and a .5% FICA increase?

                  The Brad

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                    LuFins Dad
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                    But everybody keeps forgetting about the upcoming 25% tariffs. That will take care of everything.

                    The Brad

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                    • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                      @jon-nyc said in Massie: This bill adds 20T to the debt over 10 years.:

                      @LuFins-Dad said in Massie: This bill adds 20T to the debt over 10 years.:

                      Pssst, it’s not the entitlements…

                      https://budget.house.gov/press-release/op-ed-wall-street-journal-welfare-is-whats-eating-the-budget

                      This is really disingenuous. The ticking time bomb that are entitlements won’t actually explode for a decade ergo it’s not the problem.

                      Zero out everything he mentions and entitlements still bankrupt us before Finley graduates college.

                      Yeah, remind me again who has been calling for a removal of the FICA caps and a .5% FICA increase?

                      jon-nycJ Offline
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                      #21

                      @LuFins-Dad said in Massie: This bill adds 20T to the debt over 10 years.:

                      @jon-nyc said in Massie: This bill adds 20T to the debt over 10 years.:

                      @LuFins-Dad said in Massie: This bill adds 20T to the debt over 10 years.:

                      Pssst, it’s not the entitlements…

                      https://budget.house.gov/press-release/op-ed-wall-street-journal-welfare-is-whats-eating-the-budget

                      This is really disingenuous. The ticking time bomb that are entitlements won’t actually explode for a decade ergo it’s not the problem.

                      Zero out everything he mentions and entitlements still bankrupt us before Finley graduates college.

                      Yeah, remind me again who has been calling for a removal of the FICA caps and a .5% FICA increase?

                      Me.

                      Only non-witches get due process.

                      • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                        I think everybody on this board has been in favor of a removal of the SS cap.

                        Education is extremely important.

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                        • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                          @LuFins-Dad said in Massie: This bill adds 20T to the debt over 10 years.:

                          @jon-nyc said in Massie: This bill adds 20T to the debt over 10 years.:

                          @LuFins-Dad said in Massie: This bill adds 20T to the debt over 10 years.:

                          Pssst, it’s not the entitlements…

                          https://budget.house.gov/press-release/op-ed-wall-street-journal-welfare-is-whats-eating-the-budget

                          This is really disingenuous. The ticking time bomb that are entitlements won’t actually explode for a decade ergo it’s not the problem.

                          Zero out everything he mentions and entitlements still bankrupt us before Finley graduates college.

                          Yeah, remind me again who has been calling for a removal of the FICA caps and a .5% FICA increase?

                          Me.

                          LuFins DadL Offline
                          LuFins DadL Offline
                          LuFins Dad
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                          @jon-nyc said in Massie: This bill adds 20T to the debt over 10 years.:

                          @LuFins-Dad said in Massie: This bill adds 20T to the debt over 10 years.:

                          @jon-nyc said in Massie: This bill adds 20T to the debt over 10 years.:

                          @LuFins-Dad said in Massie: This bill adds 20T to the debt over 10 years.:

                          Pssst, it’s not the entitlements…

                          https://budget.house.gov/press-release/op-ed-wall-street-journal-welfare-is-whats-eating-the-budget

                          This is really disingenuous. The ticking time bomb that are entitlements won’t actually explode for a decade ergo it’s not the problem.

                          Zero out everything he mentions and entitlements still bankrupt us before Finley graduates college.

                          Yeah, remind me again who has been calling for a removal of the FICA caps and a .5% FICA increase?

                          Me.

                          Here’s one of mine - https://nodebb.the-new-coffee-room.club/post/328667

                          Show me one of yours.

                          The Brad

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                          • HoraceH Horace

                            I think everybody on this board has been in favor of a removal of the SS cap.

                            LuFins DadL Offline
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                            LuFins Dad
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                            #24

                            @Horace said in Massie: This bill adds 20T to the debt over 10 years.:

                            I think everybody on this board has been in favor of a removal of the SS cap.

                            Ahhh, but a FICA increase as well?

                            The Brad

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                            • HoraceH Horace

                              I think everybody on this board has been in favor of a removal of the SS cap.

                              89th8 Online
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                              @Horace said in Massie: This bill adds 20T to the debt over 10 years.:

                              I think everybody on this board has been in favor of a removal of the SS cap.

                              Speak for yourselves! I make $2 million per year and have no need to pay social security after the first $175k... aka what I call January's paycheck.

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                                BTW if you remove the SS cap, about 12 million people will be paying more (7% of the employed population make more than 175k per year, according to the IRS). Yes, it's more income for the IRS, but also more people pissed off about raised taxes. They'll likely talk about it at their annual caviar charity polo match.

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                                  #27

                                  Welfare is abused, ain't no doubt about. Meth is cheap. Pot is cheap. Fentanyl is cheap.

                                  One can stay strung out in HUD housing for a long time and not hit a lick at a snake. If they were broke, they couldn't buy drugs. If they were hungry, they would work.

                                  There's a reason I walked through a multimillion dollar job earlier this week and saw one white person (the job super), no black people and enough Mexicans to reenact the Battle of the Alamo.

                                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                    Only non-witches get due process.

                                    • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                                    • 89th8 89th

                                      @Horace said in Massie: This bill adds 20T to the debt over 10 years.:

                                      I think everybody on this board has been in favor of a removal of the SS cap.

                                      Speak for yourselves! I make $2 million per year and have no need to pay social security after the first $175k... aka what I call January's paycheck.

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                                      @89th said in Massie: This bill adds 20T to the debt over 10 years.:

                                      aka what I call

                                      Redundant.

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                                      • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

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                                        @jon-nyc said in Massie: This bill adds 20T to the debt over 10 years.:

                                        Will Trump sue the publisher of this poll too?

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                                          jon-nyc
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                                          Only non-witches get due process.

                                          • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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