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Massie: This bill adds 20T to the debt over 10 years.

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    jon-nyc
    wrote on 26 Feb 2025, 16:09 last edited by
    #11

    Wait until hedge fund managers start paying themselves tips from their LLCs.

    Only non-witches get due process.

    • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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    • L LuFins Dad
      26 Feb 2025, 15:14

      The bill is a bunch of crap for a lot of reasons beyond the deficit increase. If passed, it makes servers and common labor into a protected and favored class, paying less on their taxes than others in the same income bracket. That is nuts. I want to see what those numbers alone are. I honestly wonder about the legality of it.

      But the meat of it is still making the 2017 tax cuts permanent, and frankly, I distrust the CBO’s estimates. From 2019-2023, the tax revenues averaged nearly $170B more per year than the CBO projections. At the same time, CBO projections on higher tax levels almost always overestimate the projected revenue. CBO projections for the Obama years projected $30T in federal revenues under the Obama administration’s plans, but the reality was about $4.5T less.

      Simultaneously, we’ve got a very serious market and real estate bubble going on, inflation is still higher than the Fed is comfortable with, and we still have high interest rates over what we’re used to seeing. We need substantial and sustainable growth right now, desperately. I don’t see how that happens while raising taxes back to the Obama levels.

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      Jolly
      wrote on 26 Feb 2025, 16:21 last edited by
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      @LuFins-Dad said in Massie: This bill adds 20T to the debt over 10 years.:

      Simultaneously, we’ve got a very serious market and real estate bubble going on, inflation is still higher than the Fed is comfortable with, and we still have high interest rates over what we’re used to seeing. We need substantial and sustainable growth right now, desperately. I don’t see how that happens while raising taxes back to the Obama levels.

      This. 👆

      I'm also in favor of a cap on the tip exemption.

      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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        Jolly
        wrote on 26 Feb 2025, 16:22 last edited by
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        Secondly, a lot of our problem is entitlements. Fer gawd's sake, take the cap off of FICA...

        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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          Horace
          wrote on 26 Feb 2025, 16:24 last edited by
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          So, where's the removal of the SS cap? Is that in the picture in any conceivable legislative future?

          Education is extremely important.

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            LuFins Dad
            wrote on 26 Feb 2025, 16:39 last edited by
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            Pssst, it’s not the entitlements…

            https://budget.house.gov/press-release/op-ed-wall-street-journal-welfare-is-whats-eating-the-budget

            The Brad

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              Horace
              wrote on 26 Feb 2025, 16:45 last edited by
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              "We give too much money to the poor" will be a tough sell.

              Education is extremely important.

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              • L LuFins Dad
                26 Feb 2025, 16:39

                Pssst, it’s not the entitlements…

                https://budget.house.gov/press-release/op-ed-wall-street-journal-welfare-is-whats-eating-the-budget

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                jon-nyc
                wrote on 26 Feb 2025, 16:47 last edited by jon-nyc
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                @LuFins-Dad said in Massie: This bill adds 20T to the debt over 10 years.:

                Pssst, it’s not the entitlements…

                https://budget.house.gov/press-release/op-ed-wall-street-journal-welfare-is-whats-eating-the-budget

                This is really disingenuous. The ticking time bomb that are entitlements won’t actually explode for a decade ergo it’s not the problem.

                Zero out everything he mentions and entitlements still bankrupt us before Finley graduates college.

                Only non-witches get due process.

                • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                  Copper
                  wrote on 26 Feb 2025, 16:52 last edited by
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                  This might be a good time to start a balanced budget movement.

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                  • J jon-nyc
                    26 Feb 2025, 16:47

                    @LuFins-Dad said in Massie: This bill adds 20T to the debt over 10 years.:

                    Pssst, it’s not the entitlements…

                    https://budget.house.gov/press-release/op-ed-wall-street-journal-welfare-is-whats-eating-the-budget

                    This is really disingenuous. The ticking time bomb that are entitlements won’t actually explode for a decade ergo it’s not the problem.

                    Zero out everything he mentions and entitlements still bankrupt us before Finley graduates college.

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                    LuFins Dad
                    wrote on 26 Feb 2025, 17:08 last edited by
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                    @jon-nyc said in Massie: This bill adds 20T to the debt over 10 years.:

                    @LuFins-Dad said in Massie: This bill adds 20T to the debt over 10 years.:

                    Pssst, it’s not the entitlements…

                    https://budget.house.gov/press-release/op-ed-wall-street-journal-welfare-is-whats-eating-the-budget

                    This is really disingenuous. The ticking time bomb that are entitlements won’t actually explode for a decade ergo it’s not the problem.

                    Zero out everything he mentions and entitlements still bankrupt us before Finley graduates college.

                    Yeah, remind me again who has been calling for a removal of the FICA caps and a .5% FICA increase?

                    The Brad

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                      LuFins Dad
                      wrote on 26 Feb 2025, 17:10 last edited by
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                      But everybody keeps forgetting about the upcoming 25% tariffs. That will take care of everything.

                      The Brad

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                      • L LuFins Dad
                        26 Feb 2025, 17:08

                        @jon-nyc said in Massie: This bill adds 20T to the debt over 10 years.:

                        @LuFins-Dad said in Massie: This bill adds 20T to the debt over 10 years.:

                        Pssst, it’s not the entitlements…

                        https://budget.house.gov/press-release/op-ed-wall-street-journal-welfare-is-whats-eating-the-budget

                        This is really disingenuous. The ticking time bomb that are entitlements won’t actually explode for a decade ergo it’s not the problem.

                        Zero out everything he mentions and entitlements still bankrupt us before Finley graduates college.

                        Yeah, remind me again who has been calling for a removal of the FICA caps and a .5% FICA increase?

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                        jon-nyc
                        wrote on 26 Feb 2025, 17:10 last edited by
                        #21

                        @LuFins-Dad said in Massie: This bill adds 20T to the debt over 10 years.:

                        @jon-nyc said in Massie: This bill adds 20T to the debt over 10 years.:

                        @LuFins-Dad said in Massie: This bill adds 20T to the debt over 10 years.:

                        Pssst, it’s not the entitlements…

                        https://budget.house.gov/press-release/op-ed-wall-street-journal-welfare-is-whats-eating-the-budget

                        This is really disingenuous. The ticking time bomb that are entitlements won’t actually explode for a decade ergo it’s not the problem.

                        Zero out everything he mentions and entitlements still bankrupt us before Finley graduates college.

                        Yeah, remind me again who has been calling for a removal of the FICA caps and a .5% FICA increase?

                        Me.

                        Only non-witches get due process.

                        • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                          Horace
                          wrote on 26 Feb 2025, 17:15 last edited by
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                          I think everybody on this board has been in favor of a removal of the SS cap.

                          Education is extremely important.

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                          • J jon-nyc
                            26 Feb 2025, 17:10

                            @LuFins-Dad said in Massie: This bill adds 20T to the debt over 10 years.:

                            @jon-nyc said in Massie: This bill adds 20T to the debt over 10 years.:

                            @LuFins-Dad said in Massie: This bill adds 20T to the debt over 10 years.:

                            Pssst, it’s not the entitlements…

                            https://budget.house.gov/press-release/op-ed-wall-street-journal-welfare-is-whats-eating-the-budget

                            This is really disingenuous. The ticking time bomb that are entitlements won’t actually explode for a decade ergo it’s not the problem.

                            Zero out everything he mentions and entitlements still bankrupt us before Finley graduates college.

                            Yeah, remind me again who has been calling for a removal of the FICA caps and a .5% FICA increase?

                            Me.

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                            LuFins Dad
                            wrote on 26 Feb 2025, 17:16 last edited by
                            #23

                            @jon-nyc said in Massie: This bill adds 20T to the debt over 10 years.:

                            @LuFins-Dad said in Massie: This bill adds 20T to the debt over 10 years.:

                            @jon-nyc said in Massie: This bill adds 20T to the debt over 10 years.:

                            @LuFins-Dad said in Massie: This bill adds 20T to the debt over 10 years.:

                            Pssst, it’s not the entitlements…

                            https://budget.house.gov/press-release/op-ed-wall-street-journal-welfare-is-whats-eating-the-budget

                            This is really disingenuous. The ticking time bomb that are entitlements won’t actually explode for a decade ergo it’s not the problem.

                            Zero out everything he mentions and entitlements still bankrupt us before Finley graduates college.

                            Yeah, remind me again who has been calling for a removal of the FICA caps and a .5% FICA increase?

                            Me.

                            Here’s one of mine - https://nodebb.the-new-coffee-room.club/post/328667

                            Show me one of yours.

                            The Brad

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                            • H Horace
                              26 Feb 2025, 17:15

                              I think everybody on this board has been in favor of a removal of the SS cap.

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                              LuFins Dad
                              wrote on 26 Feb 2025, 17:16 last edited by
                              #24

                              @Horace said in Massie: This bill adds 20T to the debt over 10 years.:

                              I think everybody on this board has been in favor of a removal of the SS cap.

                              Ahhh, but a FICA increase as well?

                              The Brad

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                              • H Horace
                                26 Feb 2025, 17:15

                                I think everybody on this board has been in favor of a removal of the SS cap.

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                                89th
                                wrote on 26 Feb 2025, 18:48 last edited by
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                                @Horace said in Massie: This bill adds 20T to the debt over 10 years.:

                                I think everybody on this board has been in favor of a removal of the SS cap.

                                Speak for yourselves! I make $2 million per year and have no need to pay social security after the first $175k... aka what I call January's paycheck.

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                                  89th
                                  wrote on 26 Feb 2025, 18:51 last edited by
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                                  BTW if you remove the SS cap, about 12 million people will be paying more (7% of the employed population make more than 175k per year, according to the IRS). Yes, it's more income for the IRS, but also more people pissed off about raised taxes. They'll likely talk about it at their annual caviar charity polo match.

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                                    Jolly
                                    wrote on 26 Feb 2025, 22:14 last edited by Jolly
                                    #27

                                    Welfare is abused, ain't no doubt about. Meth is cheap. Pot is cheap. Fentanyl is cheap.

                                    One can stay strung out in HUD housing for a long time and not hit a lick at a snake. If they were broke, they couldn't buy drugs. If they were hungry, they would work.

                                    There's a reason I walked through a multimillion dollar job earlier this week and saw one white person (the job super), no black people and enough Mexicans to reenact the Battle of the Alamo.

                                    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                      jon-nyc
                                      wrote on 27 Feb 2025, 02:51 last edited by
                                      #28

                                      Only non-witches get due process.

                                      • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                                      • 8 89th
                                        26 Feb 2025, 18:48

                                        @Horace said in Massie: This bill adds 20T to the debt over 10 years.:

                                        I think everybody on this board has been in favor of a removal of the SS cap.

                                        Speak for yourselves! I make $2 million per year and have no need to pay social security after the first $175k... aka what I call January's paycheck.

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                                        Axtremus
                                        wrote on 27 Feb 2025, 03:41 last edited by
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                                        @89th said in Massie: This bill adds 20T to the debt over 10 years.:

                                        aka what I call

                                        Redundant.

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                                          27 Feb 2025, 02:51

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                                          Axtremus
                                          wrote on 27 Feb 2025, 03:41 last edited by
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                                          @jon-nyc said in Massie: This bill adds 20T to the debt over 10 years.:

                                          Will Trump sue the publisher of this poll too?

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