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  • MikM Offline
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    Mik
    wrote last edited by
    #392

    This too will pass. one way or another. Trump, I mean.

    The only things we have really learned from the Epstein debacle is that he and his guests did not spend all their time in debauchery and prosecuting them would be damn difficult.

    "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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    • RenaudaR Offline
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      Renauda
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      #393

      I recall a time not so long ago either, when the Trump tribe demanded the files be made public in order to prove that Epstein’s alleged suicide was, in fact, a mob style hit. The third party behind said hit being of course, “the Clintons” and presumably others in the sinister DNC.

      We have now learned that that suspicion was nothing but coffee and doughnut shop gossip. A malicious conspiracy theory.

      Elbows up!

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      • HoraceH Offline
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        Horace
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        #394

        Can't speak for anybody else, but I've never been a Epstein files hawk. I continue to believe that if there was a there there, it would have been capitalized on, through official legal channels or otherwise, in the Biden administration. But now that the Trump administration is at the helm, it's all about the coverup and the redactions. While those redactions missed Lutnick, a chief right hand man. Non-disprovable theories satisfying confirmation bias are so much fun.

        I would like to know what they're talking about with all the references to pizza and jerky though. I don't guess the answer lies within the files.

        Education is extremely important.

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        • HoraceH Horace

          Can't speak for anybody else, but I've never been a Epstein files hawk. I continue to believe that if there was a there there, it would have been capitalized on, through official legal channels or otherwise, in the Biden administration. But now that the Trump administration is at the helm, it's all about the coverup and the redactions. While those redactions missed Lutnick, a chief right hand man. Non-disprovable theories satisfying confirmation bias are so much fun.

          I would like to know what they're talking about with all the references to pizza and jerky though. I don't guess the answer lies within the files.

          jon-nycJ Offline
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          #395

          @Horace said in The Epstein File:

          But now that the Trump administration is at the helm, it's all about the coverup and the redactions.

          You make it sound like this was all a big TDS-fueled initiative. Trump and his circle did this to themselves by obsessing about it for years and promising the full reveal. This was less than a year ago after all:

          IMG_0372.jpeg

          The whole reason we call them illegal aliens is because they’re subject to our laws.

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          • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

            @Horace said in The Epstein File:

            But now that the Trump administration is at the helm, it's all about the coverup and the redactions.

            You make it sound like this was all a big TDS-fueled initiative. Trump and his circle did this to themselves by obsessing about it for years and promising the full reveal. This was less than a year ago after all:

            IMG_0372.jpeg

            HoraceH Offline
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            Horace
            wrote last edited by Horace
            #396

            @jon-nyc said in The Epstein File:

            @Horace said in The Epstein File:

            But now that the Trump administration is at the helm, it's all about the coverup and the redactions.

            You make it sound like this was all a big TDS-fueled initiative. Trump and his circle did this to themselves by obsessing about it for years and promising the full reveal. This was less than a year ago after all:

            IMG_0372.jpeg

            It was an obvious political move, and it helped get them into power. There may even have been hopeful intentions behind it, that there would be juicy, politically useful stuff to prosecute or at least publicize in the files. I doubt Kash Patel or Pam Bondi were intimately familiar with what was in the files before they were installed in their positions. Doesn't seem to be much mysterious about any of this. Except the pizza and jerky. I also keep in mind that claiming to be an Epstein victim is big business, and those claimants have become rich, on sometimes very weak evidence. They have not named any names, for whatever reason. Except Guiffre, who is particularly unreliable. (I believe the stories about the ex-prince, but I find the Dershowitz allegations less convincing.)

            Education is extremely important.

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            • HoraceH Horace

              @jon-nyc said in The Epstein File:

              @Horace said in The Epstein File:

              But now that the Trump administration is at the helm, it's all about the coverup and the redactions.

              You make it sound like this was all a big TDS-fueled initiative. Trump and his circle did this to themselves by obsessing about it for years and promising the full reveal. This was less than a year ago after all:

              IMG_0372.jpeg

              It was an obvious political move, and it helped get them into power. There may even have been hopeful intentions behind it, that there would be juicy, politically useful stuff to prosecute or at least publicize in the files. I doubt Kash Patel or Pam Bondi were intimately familiar with what was in the files before they were installed in their positions. Doesn't seem to be much mysterious about any of this. Except the pizza and jerky. I also keep in mind that claiming to be an Epstein victim is big business, and those claimants have become rich, on sometimes very weak evidence. They have not named any names, for whatever reason. Except Guiffre, who is particularly unreliable. (I believe the stories about the ex-prince, but I find the Dershowitz allegations less convincing.)

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              Renauda
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              #397

              @Horace

              There may even have been hopeful intentions behind it, that there would be juicy, politically useful stuff to prosecute or at least publicize in the files.

              “may even have been hopeful intentions…”??

              Surely you jest.

              Elbows up!

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              • 89th8 89th

                But the Dow is up 50,000 dollars!

                jon-nycJ Offline
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                #398

                @89th said in The Epstein File:

                But the Dow is up 50,000 dollars!

                https://www.facebook.com/share/r/1AwxDnvsSk/?mibextid=wwXIfr

                The whole reason we call them illegal aliens is because they’re subject to our laws.

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                • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                  said in The Epstein File:

                  Wow. Does he thing he’s helping Trump????

                  It’s not the headline above but in the video Lutnick says he and Epstein were a ‘one and done’. He says he met him once and immediately recognized this guy was a pervert and stayed away.

                  Files say differently.

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                  wrote last edited by
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                  said in The Epstein File:

                  It’s not the headline above but in the video Lutnick says he and Epstein were a ‘one and done’. He says he met him once and immediately recognized this guy was a pervert and stayed away.

                  Files say differently.

                  The whole reason we call them illegal aliens is because they’re subject to our laws.

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                    #400

                    Now that President Clinton and Sec. Clinton (who I don't think was ever mentioned in the files) have testified, do you think that the commission will call on President Trump and his wife to testify also?🤔

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                      wrote last edited by
                      #401

                      No but I’m sure come 2029 the house will appreciate the precedent having been set.

                      Melania better start practicing her English.

                      The whole reason we call them illegal aliens is because they’re subject to our laws.

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                      • 89th8 Offline
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                        #402

                        Wait, you don't think "sorry no english" isn't an acceptable response to each question?

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                        • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                          No but I’m sure come 2029 the house will appreciate the precedent having been set.

                          Melania better start practicing her English.

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                          taiwan_girl
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                          #403

                          @jon-nyc said in The Epstein File:

                          No but I’m sure come 2029 the house will appreciate the precedent having been set.

                          Maybe even 2027..................

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                          • jon-nycJ Offline
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                            wrote last edited by
                            #404

                            A democratic house in 2027 is a certainty, barring some sort of election fraud by Trump. But he'll still be a sitting president so it'll have to wait until 29, assuming he lives that long.

                            The whole reason we call them illegal aliens is because they’re subject to our laws.

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                              wrote last edited by taiwan_girl
                              #405

                              Video of the appearances of President Clinton and Sec. Clinton. If you have 9 hours to kill, you can watch them both.

                              https://oversight.house.gov/release/oversight-committee-releases-bill-and-hillary-clinton-deposition-videos/

                              Former President Bill Clinton told lawmakers that President Donald Trump told him he had "some great ​times" with convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein before their relationship soured, according to a video released on Monday.

                              In a videotaped deposition ‌to the House of Representatives Oversight Committee, the former Democratic president said under oath that Trump brought up Epstein at a golf tournament in 2002 or 2003, after Clinton left office and more than a decade before Trump was elected president.

                              "Somehow he knew I had flown in Jeffrey Epstein's aircraft," Clinton told the committee. "He said, 'You ​know, we had some great times together over the years, but we fell out all because of a real estate deal.'"

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